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BJBlake
22 December 2022 09:15:02

I guess at least there's finally some clarity on the setup - unsettled everywhere but cold enough for brief shots of snow for Scotland. Overall it looks mostly mild down here other than a brief chillier slot post Xmas. There's a suggestion in the ens the zonality may be 'average' or a touch below 850 temp wise from 29/12 to 01/01 but as a rule that generally manifests as mild for here, particularly overnight (may bring a touch more interest further North though!). Deeper in to FI and milder is the theme IMBY, with usual caveats applying.

Will be interesting to see if this pattern sets in or the ens start picking up a new signal over the next 4-5 days.



 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Good post, and sums it up well: My eyes are on the FI increased amplification of the jet. As this buckles further and shifts east, the UK may find itself on the cold side. A zonal spell until then, but I will be surprised if this jet propensity to amplify does not throw up some more cold spells in Jan 23...mindful that winter (a la La Niña) is generally a front loaded affair. And having had what we had - it will still be a memorable cold episode, all the more remarkable for the 11 months that preceded it (even if the warm seas meant rain for me having missed out on the snow). 
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ballamar
22 December 2022 09:45:59
Time to look for signs in the far reaches of the high migrating north to a more favourable position to look for cold. Some nice wet and windy weather to get through first - typical winter weather. The bonus is a very cold spell already having happened. 
idj20
22 December 2022 09:58:10
Christmas Day is looking more and more likely to be a right rain fest for the South East, but thankfully little in the way of troublesome strong winds. Boxing day looks better, though.
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22 December 2022 10:37:00

Time to look for signs in the far reaches of the high migrating north to a more favourable position to look for cold. Some nice wet and windy weather to get through first - typical winter weather. The bonus is a very cold spell already having happened. 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



I do hope you are jesting! That has to be the worst weather of all other than 24 hour fog. Give me dry and calm any time.  
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Jiries
22 December 2022 10:39:28

Time to look for signs in the far reaches of the high migrating north to a more favourable position to look for cold. Some nice wet and windy weather to get through first - typical winter weather. The bonus is a very cold spell already having happened. 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



I was so relieved when this unecessary bone dry spell had gone and felt emotional when the mild air arrived even was poor weather but had ended the high heating costs.  LIke what Taylor's last post said about the next time to take interest on a cold spell that should deliver snow,  now most models show zonal set-up for few weeks so that help to claw back the heating costs per day to £2-3 instead of £5-6 recently.
fairweather
22 December 2022 10:44:44

I guess at least there's finally some clarity on the setup - unsettled everywhere but cold enough for brief shots of snow for Scotland. Overall it looks mostly mild down here other than a brief chillier slot post Xmas. There's a suggestion in the ens the zonality may be 'average' or a touch below 850 temp wise from 29/12 to 01/01 but as a rule that generally manifests as mild for here, particularly overnight (may bring a touch more interest further North though!). Deeper in to FI and milder is the theme IMBY, with usual caveats applying.

Will be interesting to see if this pattern sets in or the ens start picking up a new signal over the next 4-5 days.

 

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


That's pretty much how I see it. Cool and unsettled for a while.
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nsrobins
22 December 2022 11:07:24
The latter stages of EC and GFS paint a sorry tale for anyone of the cold persuasion. 
Signing off for Christmas - hope you all have a peaceful Yule despite the wind and rain.
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Saint Snow
22 December 2022 11:15:46
There's not much to look forward to, weather-wise. At this point I'd even take a UK high and 'faux' cold. But even that's a distant hope, as the Atlantic takes hold and it's a diet of rain and wind to take us through the rest of the year.

My only solace is that, 3/4 days ago, I was scrambling round looking for value on White Xmas bets (was looking at the 3 Scottish airports, plud Belfact, Leeds and Manchester). Couldn't find any so didn't bother. How glad I am! Saved a wad of cash there.
 

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dagspot
22 December 2022 11:29:38
Though Aberdeen could still be in with a shout late Christmas Day… 
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johncs2016
22 December 2022 12:16:52

There's not much to look forward to, weather-wise. At this point I'd even take a UK high and 'faux' cold. But even that's a distant hope, as the Atlantic takes hold and it's a diet of rain and wind to take us through the rest of the year.

My only solace is that, 3/4 days ago, I was scrambling round looking for value on White Xmas bets (was looking at the 3 Scottish airports, plud Belfact, Leeds and Manchester). Couldn't find any so didn't bother. How glad I am! Saved a wad of cash there.
 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Agreed.

I've noticed that the daily CC threads have gone very quiet just now, and that just goes to show just how boring and uninteresting, our weather has become these days.

During tomorrow, I will be travelling to the Scottish Borders for a week as per usual to spend Christmas with my family and it's a real shame that all of those interesting charts for that period (one or two of them even had the Scottish Borders actually getting some snow on Christmas Day for a while) have now largely disappeared.

As a result, it now looks increasingly likely that I will be lucky to even see a single air frost whilst I am away. That of course, is nothing unusual in this modern era and there have been many of my recent Christmas trips to the Scottish Borders which have been completely frost-free. However, this would be a massive let-down on this occasion, given the really cold start to this winter which we had.

Given that we had  a wet autumn, a lot of people are probably not going to like me saying this, but we could really do with some rain here. Going into the autumn, the east of Scotland was rated as having a severe water shortage risk after all of the dry weather leading up to that.

The autumn was then wet which helped to ease that scenario somewhat, but our rainfall totals here in SE Scotland weren't all that much above average then whereas other parts of the UK were much wetter then. Those wetter parts include NE Scotland which have also been relatively wet fairly recently (at least, according to Richard from Aberdeen). This means that NE Scotland should be fine as regards to avoiding any water shortage risks.

However, that is not the case here in SE Scotland. As with other parts of the UK, we therefore need to getting a lot of rainfall during these winter months in order to top up the reservoirs and ground water levels yet with just over a week left until the end of this month, a total of only around 13 mm of rain has been recorded during this month so far at the botanic gardens in Edinburgh along with not much more than that at Edinburgh Gogarbank.

Given what I have just said about the importance of this winter period for replenishing our water supplies, these are very concerning figures indeed and unless we start to get that much needed rainfall soon, I fear that we are going to be in very serious trouble next spring/summer as regards to possible water shortages with an even worse situation than what we had at the same time this year.

Looking at the latest model output, I'm struggling to see where that deficit is suddenly going to me made up. There has been some forecasts hinting at a wet few days ahead. That has been largely downgraded as we get closer to the time and even if that output was to verify, we are going to need a lot more than a wet few days ahead to get us out of that scenario.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jacee
22 December 2022 12:40:08
I agree with the thoughts above. I suppose we can at least sit back and enjoy the festivities without worrying about heavy snow/rain boundaries causing chaos. I hope those still in with a chance of a technical (or half decent) white Christmas strike it lucky 🤞

The further south you are the better chance of a pleasant Boxing Day + 27th with that brief ridge of high pressure. Merry Christmas! 🎅
Jacee, Hucknall (Notts) 😽 x
Gusty
22 December 2022 14:23:11
Yep, time to sit back now and enjoy Christmas and New Year without the constant itch to check the models (male or female) to see if they are delivering any eastern promise.

Although it didn't snow in my back yard I was fortunate enough to take maximum advantage of the snow just 15 minutes away in the car last week. Memories of that alpine style week with soft fresh powder snow, even after 5 days are still fresh in my mind.

Winter 2022/23 has already delivered for me. Should we get another bout in January/ February then I will consider it as a bit of a bonus.

Happy Christmas all. 
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Rob K
22 December 2022 15:30:19
Been busy with trying to get the house decorated before Christmas so haven't checked the models for a day or so. Bit of an unwelcome shift towards a zonal outlook over the next few days and the Met Office long ranger has also trended less cold although they are still hinting at some colder weather by the middle of January.

Temperatures at 850mb level look like still being on the cool side even in a westerly flow as the jet is quite far south, so cool and wet rather than mild and wet, but hopefully some spells of sunshine at times. Longer term it looks like HP over Europe might stall the lows and put us in milder southerlies for a time. Perhaps the Met are expecting that high to eventually head northwards and allow an easterly influence? That's my straw for today!
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Hippydave
22 December 2022 16:20:45
Looks 'interesting' for higher ground in parts of Scotland on boxing day on the 12z GFS op - heavy snow and strong winds. Not a day for wandering about in the hills I'd guess (subject to it verifying close to as shown etc.).







 
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ballamar
22 December 2022 16:29:12
Bit of a conveyor belt of storms tracking over the south on GFS op run certainly not boring 
idj20
22 December 2022 16:43:24

Bit of a conveyor belt of storms tracking over the south on GFS op run certainly not boring 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



It is boring in my books with yet more rain and possibly damaging gales. Joy(!). Neeeeext!
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Hippydave
22 December 2022 16:44:30

Bit of a conveyor belt of storms tracking over the south on GFS op run certainly not boring 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



Just thinking that - coastal gales 29th and then more widely on 31st and a wider area again on the 2nd. Long way out but those little runner lows can be very punchy, worth keeping half an eye on them.

 
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Saint Snow
22 December 2022 17:52:11

It is boring in my books with yet more rain and possibly damaging gales. Joy(!). Neeeeext!

Originally Posted by: idj20 




Agree completely.

Given rain and wind is one of the 'default settings' for the UK, it's always boring when we get a conveyor of rain and wind

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johncs2016
22 December 2022 18:13:58

Bit of a conveyor belt of storms tracking over the south on GFS op run certainly not boring 

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



Not for the southerners it isn't, but that does nothing for anyone else to the north of there who are looking for more interesting weather, or those of us in the parched SE of Scotland which could really do with some much needed rainfall, but are only seeing that heading to the south of here yet again in above mentioned GFS op.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
marting
22 December 2022 19:50:25
Interesting long term ECM ensembles from this morning, an unusual (at this rage) dip in temperature towards the end of Jan, one to watch on the other long term models
https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/opencharts_extended_meteogram 
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Rob K
22 December 2022 20:06:00

When the man models don’t look great, always look at the random CFS. Usually something there to lift the spirits

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Even CFS makes dismal viewing with a generally mobile picture right up to the end of February, with just the occasional toppler. Desperate times!
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Zubzero
22 December 2022 20:26:14

Even CFS makes dismal viewing with a generally mobile picture right up to the end of February, with just the occasional toppler. Desperate times!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



In JMA we trust https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=264&mode=1&nh=1 
 
dagspot
22 December 2022 21:58:10
I can’t believe the first mention of February… 
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Brian Gaze
22 December 2022 22:26:34
Interesting.

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Saint Snow
22 December 2022 22:54:49

Interesting.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Interesting in a... disappointingly transient way? 

1 or 2 day wonders hold little interest. And the timing is 'meh' (I'm still smarting from crossing off another Xmas that will have sh*te weather, and I don't have that many left) 

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