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DEW
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06 October 2024 07:56:36

Well it was not on the NHC model. Usually it shows a percentage of probability like with Helena and yesterday when I checked all I could see was Kirk and Leslie. So Milton obviously strengthened and very quickly. 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


The various American experts have been doing a will it/won't it discussion for a about a week now. But the consensus was that it would stay unfocused and just drop copious amounts of rain on Florida. The strengthening to a major hurricane (=cat 3 +) by Tuesday will have caught them out.


Last time a hurricane took a similar track was apparently 1859
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/10/major-landfalling-hurricane-threat-setting-up-for-floridas-west-coast/ 

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The Beast from the East
06 October 2024 10:13:51
NHC discussion shows the uncertainty, 
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/060848.shtml 
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picturesareme
06 October 2024 12:48:17

Well it was not on the NHC model. Usually it shows a percentage of probability like with Helena and yesterday when I checked all I could see was Kirk and Leslie. So Milton obviously strengthened and very quickly. 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


NHC were talking about it 😂 

"Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
200 PM EDT Tue Oct 1 2024

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Active Systems:
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical 
Storm Kirk, located over the central tropical Atlantic Ocean.

1. Northwestern Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico:
A broad trough of low pressure is producing a large area of 
disorganized showers and thunderstorms from the southwestern 
Caribbean Sea into the southern Gulf of Mexico. Environmental 
conditions could support some gradual development of this system, 
and a tropical depression could form towards the end of this week or 
this weekend as the broader disturbance moves fully into the Gulf of 
Mexico. Interests along the U.S. Gulf Coast should continue to 
monitor the progress of this system.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent. 
* Formation chance through 7 days...
medium...40 percent."

This was from last Sunday....

PM EDT Sun Sep 29 2024

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Active Systems:
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical
Storm Isaac, located several hundred miles northwest of the Azores,
on Tropical Storm Joyce, located over the central Atlantic Ocean,
and on newly formed Tropical Depression Twelve, located over the
eastern Atlantic Ocean.

1. Western Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico:
A broad area of low pressure located over the western Caribbean Sea
is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms. Environmental
conditions appear to be conducive for gradual development, and a
tropical depression could form around the middle part of this week
while the disturbance moves slowly west-northwestward. This system
is then expected to move northwestward into the Gulf of Mexico
during the latter portion of this week. Interests in the
northwestern Caribbean Sea and along the U.S. Gulf Coast should
monitor the progress of this system.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...50 percent.
doctormog
06 October 2024 12:53:54
To be fair the level of intensification to major hurricane status was not really on the cards until relatively recently and it is due to still have hurricane status by the time it clears the east coast of Florida. Definitely one to watch.
picturesareme
06 October 2024 13:04:34

To be fair the level of intensification to major hurricane status was not really on the cards until relatively recently and it is due to still have hurricane status by the time it clears the east coast of Florida. Definitely one to watch.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


They rarely mention potential intensity of a potential storm until a storm actually develops. Tally was saying this popped up out of nowhere when actually the NHC had been talking about it for almost a week. 
DEW
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07 October 2024 06:39:23
NHC has now upgraded Milton to a major (cat 3+) hurricane on landfall
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nsrobins
07 October 2024 13:46:45
And now Cat4 with an incredible 9mb drop in central pressure in just an hour.
The track will be very important, especially to the millions living between Tampa and Naples.
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07 October 2024 16:02:45
That's 1655 BST
Hurricane Milton Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142024
1055 AM CDT Mon Oct 07 2024

...MILTON RAPIDLY INTENSIFIES INTO A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE...

Data from an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicate
that Milton has strengthened to a category 5 hurricane. The
maximum sustained winds are estimated to be 160 mph (250 km/h) with
higher gusts. Data from the aircraft also indicate that the
minimum pressure has fallen to 925 mb (27.31 inches).
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picturesareme
07 October 2024 16:20:02
Still currently only small storm though with hurricane force winds in extending 30 miles from the cente, and tropical storm winds 80 miles.
Quantum
07 October 2024 16:27:59
So kirk is going to go ex earlier than expected. But look at kirk's little brother!
https://modeles12.meteociel.fr/modeles/icon/archives/2024100712/icon-0-108.png?12 
A subtropical cyclone near portugal?

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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
07 October 2024 16:30:39
Yes the rapid intensification to a Cat 5 hurricane is quite remarkable with a minimum pressure of 925mb! 
A storm surge of greater than 5ft on much of the west coast of the Florida peninsula could be problematic, especially given the 8 to 12 feet surge in the Tampa Bay Area.
tallyho_83
07 October 2024 17:23:36
I just saw on NHC model that Milton there could be wind speeds of up to 165mph according to the NHC. What's the record? Must be close to anyway ... 
Not sure what it will be when it makes  landfall but...gosh! 🫨😧

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doctormog
07 October 2024 17:32:12

I just saw on NHC model that Milton there could be wind speeds of up to 165mph according to the NHC. What's the record? Must be close to anyway ... 
Not sure what it will be when it makes  landfall but...gosh! 🫨😧

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


It’s intense but it is nowhere near the record of 190 mph, in fact it wouldn’t be in the top 20.
picturesareme
07 October 2024 17:49:43

It’s intense but it is nowhere near the record of 190 mph, in fact it wouldn’t be in the top 20.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Winds are now 175mph!!!
picturesareme
07 October 2024 17:53:45
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Despite packing 175mph it's still rather small 
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07 October 2024 18:05:39


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scillydave
07 October 2024 18:10:27

It’s intense but it is nowhere near the record of 190 mph, in fact it wouldn’t be in the top 20.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Hurricane Patricia back in 2015 had the highest sustained winds ever recorded in a tropical cyclone - a staggering 215mph (gusts would've been higher) at their peak.
So Milton has a long way to go  although that being said the rapid intensification is the 2nd or 3rd fastest on record.

Tampa would not be on my list of places to be visiting mid week!
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.
Quantum
07 October 2024 20:40:40

Hurricane Patricia back in 2015 had the highest sustained winds ever recorded in a tropical cyclone - a staggering 215mph (gusts would've been higher) at their peak.
So Milton has a long way to go  although that being said the rapid intensification is the 2nd or 3rd fastest on record.

Tampa would not be on my list of places to be visiting mid week!

Originally Posted by: scillydave 


The mere existence of Patricia begs the question; can we get a slightly stronger one in the west pacific?
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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
scillydave
07 October 2024 20:58:47

The mere existence of Patricia begs the question; can we get a slightly stronger one in the west pacific?

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I think we can - Typhoon's Tip and Haiyan were both close to sustained speeds of 200mph and the frequency of super typhoons is increasing. 
I'd guess it's just a matter of time before the perfect conditions occur snd the warner the world gets the more likely that is.



Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.
Kev71
07 October 2024 21:03:31
Up to 180mph, mind boggling.
Kev71
07 October 2024 21:11:15
Is it time to add an extra category (6) to the current scale?
Devonian
07 October 2024 21:15:31

Up to 180mph, mind boggling.

Originally Posted by: Kev71 


Perhaps more amazing as I think I read Hurricane Helene cooled at least some parts of the exceptionally warm GoM a little.
Gandalf The White
07 October 2024 21:27:41
The latest NHC report says that Milton’s central pressure has dropped by 77 mb in 24 hours, at 911 mb. Astonishing.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


tallyho_83
07 October 2024 21:43:04

The latest NHC report says that Milton’s central pressure has dropped by 77 mb in 24 hours, at 911 mb. Astonishing.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


NHC at 4PM CDT - show current max sustained gusts of 180mph!? Also, in in 12hrs time Hurricane Milton is expected to strengthen to 185mph if you read the discussion - wow! never can I remember a hurricane that strong and intensify that quickly - must have caught meteorologist off guard surely? Yet there is no such thing as a CAT 6 right!?

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picturesareme
07 October 2024 21:47:46

NHC at 4PM CDT - show current max sustained gusts of 180mph!? Also, in in 12hrs time Hurricane Milton is expected to strengthen to 185mph if you read the discussion - wow! never can I remember a hurricane that strong and intensify that quickly - must have caught meteorologist off guard surely? Yet there is no such thing as a CAT 6 right!?

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Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Strongest Atlantic hurricane had 190mph sustained winds, and numerous others have had 180/85mph winds.

I think Milton isgoing to at least rival hurricane Allen's 190mph, and potentially exceed it setting a new record.
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