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09 August 2013 17:22:47

From the cricinfo coverage


David: "Get Monty in - he'd be much better having a slash at the bouncer than Swann..."

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ROFL!!! 😂
KevBrads1
09 August 2013 17:28:21
At least they don't have to think about sending out a nightwatchman.....
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09 August 2013 18:31:24
A good day for the Aussies, be a proper test this one
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09 August 2013 18:42:18

At least they don't have to think about sending out a nightwatchman.....

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 





Actually we sent Anderson in.... Oh wait...
Gandalf The White
09 August 2013 19:17:22

Poor day for England. Winning the toss, batting first and being 7 wickets down for less than 200 is poor.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



A shocking day now. They were 100 and odd for 1 at one stage.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Another batting unit failure.  It has happened too regularly this series and we've been lucky that the Aussies were been below par for much of the first two matches.


This is what happens when too many of the top 7 are either out of form or still trying to establish their places.   If the whole series plays out like this you wouldn't want to be the selectors working out who to pick for the winter.  Lots of question marks and rather too few answers on offer, IMO.


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David M Porter
09 August 2013 22:34:00


Poor day for England. Winning the toss, batting first and being 7 wickets down for less than 200 is poor.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



A shocking day now. They were 100 and odd for 1 at one stage.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Another batting unit failure.  It has happened too regularly this series and we've been lucky that the Aussies were been below par for much of the first two matches.


This is what happens when too many of the top 7 are either out of form or still trying to establish their places.   If the whole series plays out like this you wouldn't want to be the selectors working out who to pick for the winter.  Lots of question marks and rather too few answers on offer, IMO.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


If the Aussies had still been as good as they were in virtually every Ashes series up to and including 2006/07 (bar 2005 of course), there's no doubt in my mind that England would have been made to pay for the mistakes their batsmen have made at different times. The Aussie sides of the 90's and early 2000's used to punish England big time whenever they made mistakes, whereas because this current Aussie side is not as good as back then, England have been rather more fortunate than they probably would have been otherwise.


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09 August 2013 22:50:14
On the other hand, if the England Ashes side of 82 had been playing the New York Yankees at cricket, they'd have made them pay.

Spot the pointless comparison? 😉 Comparing eras is just as pointless. It's not the old Aussie side, it's the current shite one. Yeah, their bowling is half decent, but their batting is bollox. Make no mistake England, for whatever reason, are underperforming. If both sides were playing at the top of their game, England would win comfortably, but they're not - not even close and it's pitiful.
Jim_AFCB
10 August 2013 07:32:54



Poor day for England. Winning the toss, batting first and being 7 wickets down for less than 200 is poor.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



A shocking day now. They were 100 and odd for 1 at one stage.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Another batting unit failure.  It has happened too regularly this series and we've been lucky that the Aussies were been below par for much of the first two matches.


This is what happens when too many of the top 7 are either out of form or still trying to establish their places.   If the whole series plays out like this you wouldn't want to be the selectors working out who to pick for the winter.  Lots of question marks and rather too few answers on offer, IMO.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


If the Aussies had still been as good as they were in virtually every Ashes series up to and including 2006/07 (bar 2005 of course), there's no doubt in my mind that England would have been made to pay for the mistakes their batsmen have made at different times. The Aussie sides of the 90's and early 2000's used to punish England big time whenever they made mistakes, whereas because this current Aussie side is not as good as back then, England have been rather more fortunate than they probably would have been otherwise.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


The Aussie side of 2005 would be thrashing this England side in this form.


Thinking back, the writing has been on the wall for a while.


Since we became No.1 following the 4-0 series win over India, we have struggled in the UAE v Pakistan, lost to South Africa last summer, and almost got beat by New Zealand down there in the winter. The series in India last winter seems to have been an oasis in a sea of poor-ish form. Our batsmen seem to be stuck in a rut.. They were getting out playing loose shots earlier in the series, then yesterday they just went onto their shells.


The problem is, what have we got to replace them?


 


Onto today. If the Aussies bat and we bowl as at OT, we are facing a large 1st innings deficit.


Today will be a big test for Broad and Bresnan in particular, they need to come to the party. And also of Cook's captaincy, which I think has been rather stodgy and conservative thus far, and tends to just let things drift at times, compared with Clarke who is always trying something to stop our batsmen settling.


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10 August 2013 09:57:51
Brilliant nets demo with Shane Warne on Sky just now 👍
Essan
10 August 2013 10:54:35

Maybe 238 isn't so bad after all?

Aussies 12-2 ......


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10 August 2013 11:09:29
Oh FFS! DRS again!! 🤬
Brian Gaze
10 August 2013 11:15:40

DRS but it's the umpires who aren't up to the task IMO. Perhaps the ICC needs to cough up and increase the size of the umpiring panel and try to increase the standard. Personally I'd axe show ponies like Bowden (he's the next one down from the 'elite' panel) who give the impression they are the centre of the game rather than the cricket.


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10 August 2013 11:18:18
Indeed, another absolutely disgusting decision. Since when do you appeal for a certain type of dismissal? Joke 🤬
Saint Snow
10 August 2013 11:20:36


DRS but it's the umpires who aren't up to the task IMO. Perhaps the ICC needs to cough up and increase the size of the umpiring panel and try to increase the standard. Personally I'd axe show ponies like Bowden (he's the next one down from the 'elite' panel) who give the impression they are the centre of the game rather than the cricket.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Perhaps the ICC should just put in place flow-chart procedures for video review umpires to follow, so they don't get all maverick with their decisions.


As TMS Live Text points out, who can say whether Broad was appealing for LBW or caught behind? He doesn't have to specify. It's only the on-field umpire who gave out caught behind, but surely DRS should check for any possible way to be out?


An absolute farce



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Jim_AFCB
10 August 2013 11:29:52



DRS but it's the umpires who aren't up to the task IMO. Perhaps the ICC needs to cough up and increase the size of the umpiring panel and try to increase the standard. Personally I'd axe show ponies like Bowden (he's the next one down from the 'elite' panel) who give the impression they are the centre of the game rather than the cricket.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Perhaps the ICC should just put in place flow-chart procedures for video review umpires to follow, so they don't get all maverick with their decisions.


As TMS Live Text points out, who can say whether Broad was appealing for LBW or caught behind? He doesn't have to specify. It's only the on-field umpire who gave out caught behind, but surely DRS should check for any possible way to be out?


An absolute farce


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


This. Plus the players should be familiar with it too.


The umpires got it right on this occasion. He was given out caught. He didnt hit it. Rightly overturned.


They checked for the LBW just to make sure, but no umpire would (should?) be giving that LB. it's just nicked the pad and gone through to Prior. That's why Hawkeye was indicating "umpire's call". Therefore "not out" LBW.


As the umpire was not giving it out LBW, that desision stays on the field.


 


I don't understand why there is such a fuss about it, other than people not understanding the logic.


 


Good start for England, but already signs that Aus are coming to terms with the conditions with runs coming easily at the moment, especially (as expected) off Bresnan.


 


Edited cos just as I hit "post", Clarke gets himself out!


 


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Saint Snow
10 August 2013 11:32:44


The umpires got it right on this occasion. He was given out caught. He didnt hit it. Rightly overturned.


They checked for the LBW just to make sure, but no umpire would (should?) be giving that LB. it's just nicked the pad and gone through to Prior. That's why Hawkeye was indicating "umpire's call". Therefore "not out" LBW.


As the umpire was not giving it out LBW, that desision stays on the field.


 


Originally Posted by: Jim_AFCB 


 


Now i've seen the full explanation, I can understand it. But, coming off the back of so many odd review decisions by the umpires, you just assume this is another arse-up



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Saint Snow
10 August 2013 11:34:01


 


Edited cos just as I hit "post", Clarke gets himself out!


 


Originally Posted by: Jim_AFCB 


 


Excellent work sir - your 'mockers' play worked beautifully  



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Essan
10 August 2013 11:37:11

Broad on a roll


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Saint Snow
10 August 2013 12:13:49


Broad on a roll


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


A very brief one. Australia still look favourites to overhaul England's pitiful 1st innings total.



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10 August 2013 12:26:23
Broad having his one good spell in 5. Need Anderson and Swann to step up now
Jim_AFCB
10 August 2013 12:31:52



 


Edited cos just as I hit "post", Clarke gets himself out!


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Excellent work sir - your 'mockers' play worked beautifully  


Originally Posted by: Jim_AFCB 


 


Why do you think I never talk us up??  


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Gandalf The White
10 August 2013 13:07:03



Broad on a roll


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


A very brief one. Australia still look favourites to overhaul England's pitiful 1st innings total.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Don't forget the expression "Never judge a total until both sides have batted"


With a brittle line-up 238 isn't necessarily a poor total.   Aussies 4 down now.


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10 August 2013 14:11:28
Boycott banging on about Onions should be playing. He's right, he should be.
Saint Snow
10 August 2013 14:51:23




Broad on a roll


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


A very brief one. Australia still look favourites to overhaul England's pitiful 1st innings total.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Don't forget the expression "Never judge a total until both sides have batted"


With a brittle line-up 238 isn't necessarily a poor total.   Aussies 4 down now.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Yeah, really brittle. 148-4 puts them favourite for a lead.


Anderson showing again why he's far from being the best bowler of the moment, never mind of his generation.


And Swann seems to have caught the same loss of form. Looking about as threatening as Nathan Lyon does against any opposition against this shite England team.



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Gooner
10 August 2013 16:51:13
Aussies had a good day, they look determined to gay a test back
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