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Rob K
19 August 2013 18:07:05


I don't know what you do to your links, but whenever you post more than one, they always all point to the same link as the first one (whatever the text says). 


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Stormchaser
19 August 2013 18:56:00




 Last week, CFS was showing a sub-zero CET January 2014.... Now it's mild-SWs all the way....


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfsme_cartes.php?ech=4&code=0&carte=0&mode=7&run=10


2013/14 Winter is over .... Roll on 2014/15.


Andrew


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Gav's fault !


Originally Posted by: nickl 


 



Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Back to below average now. Remember those anomalies on Meteociel are from single runs only!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?12


That's much more tolerable


For the multi-run means you want to look here:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/htmls/glbz700e3Mon.html


A December not to remember, but then a blocked, cold and snowy Jan-Feb combination


I must say, it seems to have little idea what October and November will get up to this year - that's been flailing between strong high-latitude blocking and stubborn Euro highs!




Back to tonight's models, and the issue of split energy is creating havoc jet again.


For the BH, ECM offers a benign weekend in the south, unsettled to the NW, with conditions recovering under a decent ridge from the Azores on Monday.


GFS has a thundery trough slipping to our south and keeping much of England in particular toasty but unstable at the weekend, with overnight thundery rain heading north on Monday to leave England and Wales mostly dry and warm. Further north it's more settled until Monday but not as hot.


UKMO races the trough through to give a showery Saturday followed by a benign Sunday under a gentle northerly flow.




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GIBBY
19 August 2013 19:18:59

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday August 19th 2013.


All models show the rest of the working week as fairly nailed on but everything thereafter far from. For the South and East the rest of the working week will be mainly dry and increasingly warm with sunny spells, these chiefly tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. The North and West of Scotland and Northern Ireland will see some rain from a depression and associated fronts moving towards Scotland over the next 24 hours or so. The remains of the cold front then crosses slowly SE across North and West Wales as well as SW England on Wednesday with a little rain possible.


GFS then shows a new Low filling but moving SE close to SW Britain at the weekend allowing some showery rain to affect Southern and SW England at the weekend. The shower risk remains on Bank Holiday Monday but with a good deal of fine and bright weather too. The latter part of the run paints a picture of High pressure to the SW and a NW flow over the UK with plenty of fine and dry weather with average temperatures before a trend towards more changeable conditions is shown towards the end of the run as winds back West for a time.


The GFS Ensembles show a more changeable pattern for the South after the 24th. The operational was a warm member of the pack from the breakdown at the weekend with many other members suggesting more average uppers in a more mobile westerly regime.


The Jet Stream shows the flow moving North away from the UK for a while with a returning flow South over the UK early next week. The flow energizes quite a lot later next week as it positions West to East over the Atlantic and over the UK.


UKMO tonight shows a trough having moved to the East of the UK on Sunday bringing a drier period for the second half of the weekend with just scattered showers in temperatures slowly cooling to more average levels given the Northerly flow.


GEM also shows a weakened breakdown with a showery trough crossing East over the weekend followed by a cooler NW flow with a lot of dry weather across the UK with any rain or showers restricted for the most art to more Northern parts.


NAVGEM shows a more definitive unsettled weekend in the South as a small Low slips SE across the South and into Northern France with thundery rain or showers likely. the north would see the best of the weather with few if any showers here. The final days of the run signify a cooler Northerly flow with showers in Eastern Counties of both England and Scotland with the best conditions in the West.


ECM tonight shows a showery start to the weekend as a front moves East over the UK. The second part of the weekend shows a better outlook with drier and cooler conditions having arrived from the West with High pressure building solidly over the UK by midweek with very warm and sunny weather developing everywhere.


In Summary it is looking increasingly likely that the weekend may not be a write off as was looking possible from recent output. Instead it looks like a showery trough will slide East across the UK through the first few days of the weekend before pressure rises again in time for the Bank Holiday with a reasonable prospect again for next week as the possibility of another ridge from the Azores looks feasible to the extreme from ECM with a large High pressure area located over the UK with very warm and sunny weather by midweek or soon after.


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Snow Hoper
19 August 2013 19:42:24



I don't know what you do to your links, but whenever you post more than one, they always all point to the same link as the first one (whatever the text says). 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Same here


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cowman
19 August 2013 19:49:02
The output from all models seem's all over the place from run to run.
Gooner
19 August 2013 19:52:57



I don't know what you do to your links, but whenever you post more than one, they always all point to the same link as the first one (whatever the text says). 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Oh yeah!


Let me try again


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Gooner
19 August 2013 19:54:25

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png


 


??????


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Nordic Snowman
19 August 2013 20:00:52





 


Last week, CFS was showing a sub-zero CET January 2014.... Now it's mild-SWs all the way....


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfsme_cartes.php?ech=4&code=0&carte=0&mode=7&run=10


2013/14 Winter is over .... Roll on 2014/15.


Andrew


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Gav's fault !


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



Originally Posted by: nickl 



Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


CFS is pretty awful and will change a million times between now and then. Not worth looking at it at all.... IMO.


EDIT: Further to above, I have now (finally) wised up in my older age that all seasonal forecasts are a waste of time. It can be possible to get an idea for a month ahead (perhaps) but looking at Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan when we are still in August is nothing more than guess work. A few days ago, the rest of August was looking pretty summery. Now, we have question marks for the BH. I rest my case.


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Chiltern Blizzard
19 August 2013 20:04:37


Looking good, though only very warm for the SE... will be going to Somerset coast from Herts on Friday - looks rather average there.


 


 


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Russwirral
19 August 2013 21:32:56

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20130819/12/111/h850t850eu.png


 


What a difference 5 months make.  Pretty much identical pressure pattern Which in winter brings a sliding LP and heavy snow with bitter easterly winds, in August brings delightful easterly warm winds and Tstorms to the south.


 


I love weather me.


Chiltern Blizzard
19 August 2013 21:56:15






 


Last week, CFS was showing a sub-zero CET January 2014.... Now it's mild-SWs all the way....


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfsme_cartes.php?ech=4&code=0&carte=0&mode=7&run=10


2013/14 Winter is over .... Roll on 2014/15.


Andrew


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Gav's fault !


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



Originally Posted by: nickl 


CFS is pretty awful and will change a million times between now and then. Not worth looking at it at all.... IMO.


EDIT: Further to above, I have now (finally) wised up in my older age that all seasonal forecasts are a waste of time. It can be possible to get an idea for a month ahead (perhaps) but looking at Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan when we are still in August is nothing more than guess work. A few days ago, the rest of August was looking pretty summery. Now, we have question marks for the BH. I rest my case.


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Completely agree.... The spurious accuracy that CFS delivers is so very far ahead is absurd, and can only be (to use Gooner's phrase) JFF....  I just wanted to get the record for the earliest ever WIO post on TWO.


Andrew


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Hungry Tiger
19 August 2013 22:09:59


Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday August 19th 2013.


All models show the rest of the working week as fairly nailed on but everything thereafter far from. For the South and East the rest of the working week will be mainly dry and increasingly warm with sunny spells, these chiefly tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. The North and West of Scotland and Northern Ireland will see some rain from a depression and associated fronts moving towards Scotland over the next 24 hours or so. The remains of the cold front then crosses slowly SE across North and West Wales as well as SW England on Wednesday with a little rain possible.


GFS then shows a new Low filling but moving SE close to SW Britain at the weekend allowing some showery rain to affect Southern and SW England at the weekend. The shower risk remains on Bank Holiday Monday but with a good deal of fine and bright weather too. The latter part of the run paints a picture of High pressure to the SW and a NW flow over the UK with plenty of fine and dry weather with average temperatures before a trend towards more changeable conditions is shown towards the end of the run as winds back West for a time.


The GFS Ensembles show a more changeable pattern for the South after the 24th. The operational was a warm member of the pack from the breakdown at the weekend with many other members suggesting more average uppers in a more mobile westerly regime.


The Jet Stream shows the flow moving North away from the UK for a while with a returning flow South over the UK early next week. The flow energizes quite a lot later next week as it positions West to East over the Atlantic and over the UK.


UKMO tonight shows a trough having moved to the East of the UK on Sunday bringing a drier period for the second half of the weekend with just scattered showers in temperatures slowly cooling to more average levels given the Northerly flow.


GEM also shows a weakened breakdown with a showery trough crossing East over the weekend followed by a cooler NW flow with a lot of dry weather across the UK with any rain or showers restricted for the most art to more Northern parts.


NAVGEM shows a more definitive unsettled weekend in the South as a small Low slips SE across the South and into Northern France with thundery rain or showers likely. the north would see the best of the weather with few if any showers here. The final days of the run signify a cooler Northerly flow with showers in Eastern Counties of both England and Scotland with the best conditions in the West.


ECM tonight shows a showery start to the weekend as a front moves East over the UK. The second part of the weekend shows a better outlook with drier and cooler conditions having arrived from the West with High pressure building solidly over the UK by midweek with very warm and sunny weather developing everywhere.


In Summary it is looking increasingly likely that the weekend may not be a write off as was looking possible from recent output. Instead it looks like a showery trough will slide East across the UK through the first few days of the weekend before pressure rises again in time for the Bank Holiday with a reasonable prospect again for next week as the possibility of another ridge from the Azores looks feasible to the extreme from ECM with a large High pressure area located over the UK with very warm and sunny weather by midweek or soon after.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



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Gooner
19 August 2013 22:20:01

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12017.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn14417.png


Temps not as good as they were on the 12z


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North Oxfordshire
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David M Porter
19 August 2013 22:22:21



Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday August 19th 2013.


All models show the rest of the working week as fairly nailed on but everything thereafter far from. For the South and East the rest of the working week will be mainly dry and increasingly warm with sunny spells, these chiefly tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. The North and West of Scotland and Northern Ireland will see some rain from a depression and associated fronts moving towards Scotland over the next 24 hours or so. The remains of the cold front then crosses slowly SE across North and West Wales as well as SW England on Wednesday with a little rain possible.


GFS then shows a new Low filling but moving SE close to SW Britain at the weekend allowing some showery rain to affect Southern and SW England at the weekend. The shower risk remains on Bank Holiday Monday but with a good deal of fine and bright weather too. The latter part of the run paints a picture of High pressure to the SW and a NW flow over the UK with plenty of fine and dry weather with average temperatures before a trend towards more changeable conditions is shown towards the end of the run as winds back West for a time.


The GFS Ensembles show a more changeable pattern for the South after the 24th. The operational was a warm member of the pack from the breakdown at the weekend with many other members suggesting more average uppers in a more mobile westerly regime.


The Jet Stream shows the flow moving North away from the UK for a while with a returning flow South over the UK early next week. The flow energizes quite a lot later next week as it positions West to East over the Atlantic and over the UK.


UKMO tonight shows a trough having moved to the East of the UK on Sunday bringing a drier period for the second half of the weekend with just scattered showers in temperatures slowly cooling to more average levels given the Northerly flow.


GEM also shows a weakened breakdown with a showery trough crossing East over the weekend followed by a cooler NW flow with a lot of dry weather across the UK with any rain or showers restricted for the most art to more Northern parts.


NAVGEM shows a more definitive unsettled weekend in the South as a small Low slips SE across the South and into Northern France with thundery rain or showers likely. the north would see the best of the weather with few if any showers here. The final days of the run signify a cooler Northerly flow with showers in Eastern Counties of both England and Scotland with the best conditions in the West.


ECM tonight shows a showery start to the weekend as a front moves East over the UK. The second part of the weekend shows a better outlook with drier and cooler conditions having arrived from the West with High pressure building solidly over the UK by midweek with very warm and sunny weather developing everywhere.


In Summary it is looking increasingly likely that the weekend may not be a write off as was looking possible from recent output. Instead it looks like a showery trough will slide East across the UK through the first few days of the weekend before pressure rises again in time for the Bank Holiday with a reasonable prospect again for next week as the possibility of another ridge from the Azores looks feasible to the extreme from ECM with a large High pressure area located over the UK with very warm and sunny weather by midweek or soon after.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Sounds a decent outlook to me as well.


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Stormchaser
19 August 2013 22:32:23

I pay good attention to CFS if it's persistent in showing notable anomalies in a particular area for a particular month, like it did for March 2013 starting nearly half a year in advance.


Otherwise... it suffers from over-progressive tendencies which can actually drive it into either insane zonal mode or insane reverse-zonal if it manages to develop a strong, flat jet roaring away underneath high-latitude blocking. That makes it hard to pick out any meaningful overall signal.




Just wanted to give my two cents on that model


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Rob K
19 August 2013 22:39:11
ECM now flipped back to settled and warm next week. Models eh?
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Gooner
19 August 2013 22:54:49

ECM now flipped back to settled and warm next week. Models eh?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


 


Really is make your mind up time


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gandalf The White
19 August 2013 23:05:00


ECM now flipped back to settled and warm next week. Models eh?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


 


Really is make your mind up time


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Maybe that's why we call it 'FI'...



It looks a bit like that oft-reported occurrence in winter of everything being shunted east.  Nobody complaining at this time of year though (except perhaps Retron )


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Osprey
19 August 2013 23:52:56

Early days


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Twister
20 August 2013 05:21:33

Bank holiday Monday is still looking ok for the majority (N Scotland being the exception), albeit in a cooler airmass compared to later this week.


Saturday looks to be the wettest day of the weekend.


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Gusty
20 August 2013 06:01:12

You can tell its a good summer when a uniformly progged unsettled spell weather from 168 hours onwards turns out to be a showery blip in an otherwise warm and settled theme.


As Twister has eluded Saturday looks the most showery day as the trough from the SW migrates from across the UK. The Fax Chart 120 hours would give many of us a good bang. 


Thereafter the theme is for pressure to rise from the south leading us to a mostly fine and warm end to the month, away from the far north of the UK.


The GFS shows the -5c 850Hpa line to the north of the Faroes on the 1/2nd September...a gentle reminder that the sands of time are running out on what has been a fantastic summer 2013.



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Gooner
20 August 2013 06:03:15

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10817.png  quite a cool day


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13217.png still coolish


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15617.png warming up


 


No great heat for the weekend


 


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White Meadows
20 August 2013 06:18:41
No point in looking for heatwaves now anyway. We've surpassed the window where real continental heat usually affects the UK. Night temps are just not making it possible over the next couple of weeks onwards.

23-24 degrees will keep many people smiling though.
20 August 2013 07:12:40

Dreadful run from the GFS this morning. Even the rest of this week looks poor for most.

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