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John p
07 December 2013 08:59:14
Just spare a thought for Moomin,leaving this dull as hell weather, to go and watch the England cricket team....!
Camberley, Surrey
Whether Idle
07 December 2013 09:05:04

Very pleasant useable weather at the moment and for the forseeable shown by the models.  It may not be cold but it is saving vulnerable people's lives, and hard pressed families money. 


Less people slipping over on ice and snow, so less pressure on A and E. 


Worth remembering that the MODE for days of snowcover over much of southern England over the past 40 winters is ZERO.  The last few years have bucked the trend that set in from 1971, with occasionbal blips 1978-1987 and 2009-?


  Im enjoyoing the mild outlook.  Check this out for our beloved ECM:


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gandalf The White
07 December 2013 09:17:34

A thoroughly boring set of models this morning (if it's cold you're after, or extreme mildness for that matter!), showing near average temperatures for the foreseeable future. Not mild, not cold, just constantly around 7 to 9C highs down here.

Here's the 0z ECM ensemble for Reading:

http://oi41.tinypic.com/xo48l1.jpg

Note that the op and control were cold on the 13th but some of the mildest members by the end.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



I think we're seeing ECM gradually change the pattern over the last 3-4 runs. I think the signal is for the high to be slightly further west, bringing the flow more from west of south and reducing the chances of a continental feed. Plus the jet seems to be aligned a little more west-east and penetrating further east.

Maybe this trend will continue and we'll end up back in a more mobile westerly flow with periodic polar maritime incursions. There's still the high pressure belt to the south/south west which means drier and milder further south. Whether we get this evolution and whether it moves on from there is an open question - but any serious cold before Xmas looks a very remote prospect based on what we're seeing at the moment.
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cturbo20
07 December 2013 10:07:09

This weather is not exactly exiting at the moment it would be good if someone could find a hint of some cold just to get exited about.


According to some sites its supposed to be the coldest winter for 100 years,not yet its not. Im not a coldie as such more of extreme weather with proper hot in the summer with decent thunderstorms,big storms with high wind in autumn and cold with snow in winter.


Any hints as to when the cold is coming if at all.

Gooner
07 December 2013 10:27:52

It really is going to be a  job to keep this thread alive this side of Xmas


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120700/ECH0-216.GIF?07-12


Not much to be cheerful about the weather at the minute if you want snow and Ice


Edited to avoid any confusion


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gusty
07 December 2013 10:37:55


It really is going to be a  job to keep this thread alive this side of Xmas


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120700/ECH0-216.GIF?07-12


Not much to be cheerful about


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


There is plenty to be cheerful about Marcus. It will enable us all to concentrate on the important things like actually enjoying time with our families, living in the moment and not constantly having to check into this place 10 times a day to check if there is any change in that ensemble member at T204. 


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Gooner
07 December 2013 10:43:43



It really is going to be a  job to keep this thread alive this side of Xmas


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120700/ECH0-216.GIF?07-12


Not much to be cheerful about


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


There is plenty to be cheerful about Marcus. It will enable us all to concentrate on the important things like actually enjoying time with our families, living in the moment and not constantly having to check into this place 10 times a day to check if there is any change in that ensemble member at T204. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I was talking weather terms Steve, of course there is plenty to be cheerful about away outside of weather, look who is top of the Premier league  And there is something called Xmas coming


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
07 December 2013 11:38:14
North East USA has Cold air vs Mild Air, Just Like North and NW Atlantic, with areas away from their South see some Sleet and Snow potentai.

The Pacific sees the High pressure in the NE pushed out by Returning PV Low's propagating as Upstream from the West N side, these to bring mix of cold Rain and some Snowfalls up in Alaska and NW USA.

The Europe see large High pressure dominate much next 6 days, The areas of Low, after low Precipitate wind and Rains NW Atlantic N and NE Far side Atlantic and whole of Norwegian Sea at time during the Aformentioned 6 days, to the 13th Dec Friday.

On Friday and the following two days the PV N and NW Atlantic Low's with wet and windy rains affect UK as well, the GFS and UKMO and ECMWF models suggest.

By.day 13 and 14 - following then Move of PV NW and N to Far NE Atlantic Low's that keep West NW Europe during days 10 - 12 Dec, Under High Pressure as being Ridging's, affecting the North and NE plus the NW of this area as Low Pressure's, At their PFJ Exit we on day 13 and 14 from today could see A cold Low Pressure cross UK from Iceland, with risk of some wintry weather and cold NW and N winds, and West NW Atlantic then get more PV Low P reform.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Phil G
07 December 2013 11:45:29
First look at the charts this morning and sense there may be signs of a change, may be even in time as we approach the big day. Colder air is being shown further south and indications of a shift of the HP into the Atlantic. We may draw in something colder from the north, or there may be a link up with HP out to the north east.
Must say this is very tentative and looking at charts in the far reaches of FI, but on occasions these changes may actually be correct in signalling a pattern change.
Gusty
07 December 2013 11:54:37




It really is going to be a  job to keep this thread alive this side of Xmas


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120700/ECH0-216.GIF?07-12


Not much to be cheerful about


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


There is plenty to be cheerful about Marcus. It will enable us all to concentrate on the important things like actually enjoying time with our families, living in the moment and not constantly having to check into this place 10 times a day to check if there is any change in that ensemble member at T204. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I was talking weather terms Steve, of course there is plenty to be cheerful about away outside of weather, look who is top of the Premier league  And there is something called Xmas coming


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


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Hippydave
07 December 2013 13:14:02

Pretty boring set of charts and ens for the forseeable - as other have said temps wandering from chilly to mild and not a lot of active weather until you head in to FI. (Couple of fairly active systems do zip across the North which would need watching if it gets closer to the reliable timeframe).


Further out tenative signs of the jet sinking south and knocking the HP out of the way, with GFS toying with a northerly toppler right at the end of its run.


All pretty ho-hum and will probably guarantee my CET guess is way off the mark


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Work: Tonbridge
Hippydave
07 December 2013 17:03:25

Wot no comments on the GFS 12z


I guess at least right in FI the PV shows signs of being less organised....


Edit: Quite an unsettled looking UKMO from T120, although still can't shift HP. Signs that perhaps the boring nothingness might not last as long as feared are there though, albeit tentative atm


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1441.gif


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
07 December 2013 17:11:50

Well 12z GFS and Comments About 12z UKMO, this Outlook is very mixed, not very wet, and not often the UK has effects of being at the Centre of Low Pressure.

What I see is tinkering as each day passes they show Deep N Atlantic Low's and they spread out wards to Outpace the High over the West and SW Europe and East to South UK.

It is fine to give often rain for the West and NW plus North UK at times, with the systems spreading in there at times.

I see it turns Cold at times, and I see it being at 10 to 11 deg. c often in the East and South, with the West and North getting good rain, and some cooler temps.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
ARTzeman
07 December 2013 17:35:25

Oh for a decent change in the charts...






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Gooner
07 December 2013 18:48:15

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-384.png?12  ( Control )


Yes, yes very deepest FI but GFS has been showing signs of us getting out of this HP rut


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
07 December 2013 18:57:56

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120712/ECH1-240.GIF?07-0


Certainly hints at change


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Hippydave
07 December 2013 19:13:34


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013120712/ECH1-240.GIF?07-0


Certainly hints at change


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Throws a couple of quite deep lps over the North again too - with a decent squeeze in the isobars could be quite nasty Id have thought. Strong jet, big temp contrast and strong HP just to the south does have the right ingredients for some pretty strong winds somewhere.


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Quantum
07 December 2013 20:00:50

The tenous hints of something interesting that I mentioned yesterday have all but gone today. Its almost guaranteed to be benign up until mid month, and very little signs of anything changing after. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
GIBBY
07 December 2013 20:06:29

Good evening folks. Here is the report on the midday outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday December 7th 2013.


 


All models continue to show few changes in the general synopses over and around the British isles. In general Low pressure will lie well to the West and NW while High pressure dominates over much of Europe. As a result the weather will remain fairly benign with in general a lot of cloud and fairly dry weather with rain and drizzle on occasions across the North and West of Britain. Equally in Southern and Eastern areas things may become rather misty and a little colder next week as winds back more to the SE for a time with some fog patches.


 


GFS then brings an increase of wind from the SW late next week with more changeable weather developing steadily with rain at times and some drier and brighter periods. With winds never far from a SW direction things will remain largely on the mild side of average though it may become rather breezier at times later in the period.


 


UKMO closes it's run with High pressure over SE Europe with a stronger SW flow developing over the UK. as a result it will stay quite mild and often cloudy and there could be some rain developing over most Northern and Western areas by this time next week.


 


GEM also shows an increase of wind across the UK from a SW direction next weekend. There would also be a series of troughs close to NW Britain at times giving rise to quite a bit of rain over the hills in mild weather conditions. There would be little if any rain in the SE apart from a day or two ahead of High pressure building back North from the South across Southern areas at the end of the run.


 


NAVGEM is mild mild mild all the way with a Southerly flow over the UK all the way and with less frontal incursion from this model then things would remain largely dry. Things in the South and SE could be a little less mild than elsewhere but it would hardly be cold considering the time of year.


 


ECM tonight shows the fairly mundane spell of weather persisting over the next week with just variations of wind direction and cloud amounts determining any differences in the weather felt on the surface. as a result temperatures could fluctuate down for a while in the week to come across the South before rising for all later at the expense of a marked increase of wind to gales in the NW and the increased risk of rainfall extending slowly SE across many Northern and Western areas by the start of the week after next.


 


The GFS Ensembles show a sustained dormant spell of weather with mild upper air conditions overall though maybe a little chilly at the surface over the South for a time. The chances of rain in the South are pretty non existent over the coming week and even thereafter no great amounts of rain are shown.


 


The Jet Stream shows the flow well to the NW of Britain over the coming week. there are tentative signs of it slipping further SE on it's SW to NE axis through week 2 though this is outside the reliable time frame at the moment.


 


In Summary there remains little change to report in the weather conditions to be expected over the coming two weeks to that shown on previous recent output. As a result we can expect largely mild weather with a SSW flow of winds and though a fair amount of dry weather is to be shared the North and West can look forward to some wet and windy weather at times too especially later. It still remains hard to see where any meaningful change in the general synoptic pattern is likely to occur other than a mild SW flow with rain making greater ingress of Low pressure into the North and West of Britain at least.


 


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Gandalf The White
07 December 2013 20:13:45


The tenous hints of something interesting that I mentioned yesterday have all but gone today. Its almost guaranteed to be benign up until mid month, and very little signs of anything changing after. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I see the 12z ECM has continued it's gradual move away from the Euro high dominance and a slow ramp-up in the activity in the Atlantic.


The T+216 and T+240 charts look to me to show a pattern shift with the main Euro high shunted away into eastern Europe. Suddenly ECM predicts the atmosphere over the Atlantic to be condusive to major cyclogenesis with a succession of intense LP systems barrelling their way eastwards towards the British Isles. 


If the trend continues then the high pressure should be pushed away east and south.  That on its own won't deliver anything cold but a pattern change to a mobile flow is a start and at least of more interest.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
07 December 2013 20:19:29



The tenous hints of something interesting that I mentioned yesterday have all but gone today. Its almost guaranteed to be benign up until mid month, and very little signs of anything changing after. 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I see the 12z ECM has continued it's gradual move away from the Euro high dominance and a slow ramp-up in the activity in the Atlantic.


The T+216 and T+240 charts look to me to show a pattern shift with the main Euro high shunted away into eastern Europe. Suddenly ECM predicts the atmosphere over the Atlantic to be condusive to major cyclogenesis with a succession of intense LP systems barrelling their way eastwards towards the British Isles. 


If the trend continues then the high pressure should be pushed away east and south.  That on its own won't deliver anything cold but a pattern change to a mobile flow is a start and at least of more interest.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes but if thats the case then a cold spell wont show on the models for maybe two weeks, and nothing speicifically of interest in the artic may show up for maybe one week if we are lucky. I'm going to be on NH chart mode for a while it seems... 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
White Meadows
07 December 2013 21:30:34
Ensembles looking a little less depressing today... Still probably going to be a wait til post-Xmas before the topplers re-appear.
What happened to the 'where did that easterly come from' archive threads we used to get on TWO?

Yawn, wake me up in January!
Snowvillain
07 December 2013 21:43:45
Will check the models again in the new year! Such a shame the cold continues to avoid us.
RobN
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07 December 2013 22:22:50

Early days yet, but there does seem to be a ghastly resemblance to 88/89 in the general appearance of this pattern. None of the models yet showing a convincing breakout.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
nsrobins
07 December 2013 22:24:28

I confess that I'm watching I'm a Celebrity in preference to spending more than a few minues on studying model data tonight.
That's how uninspiring it all is just now.
Roll on 2 . . .


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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