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nsrobins
Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:50:34 PM

Well the 12Z GFS has backed off a bit from very unsettled and mild to more settled and mild, with HP being more influencial from the South.


If it can get any worse for cold weather fans, it just has.


Neil
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Scandy 1050 MB
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:11:51 PM


Well the 12Z GFS has backed off a bit from very unsettled and mild to more settled and mild, with HP being more influencial from the South.


If it can get any worse for cold weather fans, it just has.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


All we need now is some rubbish late 80s music and we're there :)  Awful output tonight - at this rate perhaps this is the 'mild' winter in-between a set of cold ones?  Either way even the crumbs of hope have been cleared away on the latest runs - hopefully something better will occur towards January but with HP showing to rebuild over southern europe we all know that pattern does not change quickly.

doctormog
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:20:33 PM
I must be looking at different charts. The outlook away from FI (and even there to a large extent) is the same as it has been for days - unsettled, with alternating cooler and milder interlude.

Standard December fayre albeit a little more unsettled than average. There's everything in the output apart from prolonged cold and snowy weather but that is, as others have mentioned, not the norm for the UK even in winter.
future_is_orange
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:21:08 PM
Hopefully not a trend. I don't want to see that high pressure re establishing itself. Would take a southerly jet with pm air mixed in not ideal but always the chance of something wintry.
David M Porter
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:21:15 PM

Just to balance things a little bit, the ECM 12z run at 240hrs seems to be less keen on the idea of high pressure attempting to rebuild to the south of the UK than the GFS 12z is at the corresponding stage:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm2401.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn2401.png


 


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Maunder Minimum
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:21:51 PM



Well the 12Z GFS has backed off a bit from very unsettled and mild to more settled and mild, with HP being more influencial from the South.


If it can get any worse for cold weather fans, it just has.


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


All we need now is some rubbish late 80s music and we're there :)  Awful output tonight - at this rate perhaps this is the 'mild' winter in-between a set of cold ones?  Either way even the crumbs of hope have been cleared away on the latest runs - hopefully something better will occur towards January but with HP showing to rebuild over southern europe we all know that pattern does not change quickly.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I hate boring, mild winters. But in the spirit of Christmas and in the attempt to keep the glass half full, at least it keeps the heating costs down, leaving more ready money for beer, wine, brandy and whisky, to drown your mild weather blues!


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:28:59 PM


Well the 12Z GFS has backed off a bit from very unsettled and mild to more settled and mild, with HP being more influencial from the South.


If it can get any worse for cold weather fans, it just has.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


The good news is that the GFS Op was almost a mild outlier - and not well supported in terms of the build of pressure from the SW:


500/850hPa: http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=0&ext=1


SLP: http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=1&ext=1


As ECM pushes the surge of warm uppers and surface high pressure aside I think we should wait to see if the GFS Op corrects in the next runs.


Edit: BOM and GEM follow ECM more than GFS, both showing LP in charge


 


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nouska
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:31:37 PM
That is some low pressure the ECM has on the Christmas day chart - 913.7mb

http://i.imgur.com/8grszlC.gif 
GIBBY
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:44:24 PM

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday December 15th 2013.


All models show a changeable and sometimes wet and very windy spell of weather throughout the coming week. Day to day the weather will vary between wet, windy and mild days with tonight, Wednesday and Friday favoured for this weather type while later tomorrow, Tuesday and again on Thursday sees some colder conditions with dry weather for many on Tuesday while Thursday sees very showery weather with some colder weather in tow too with some temporary wintry showers on Northern hills.


GFS shows an unsettled weekend to come with rain and showers in brisk and locally very strong West or SW winds with showers, wintry on Northern hills. A change is shown tonight though as High pressure builds north from France over the Christmas period and allows very mild and drier weather to become established for a time across the South with less rain for the North too before changeable Atlantic type conditions return to all late in the run with temperatures holding up very well with most rain in the North and West.


UKMO closes it's run tonight with next weekend looking like being a wet and windy one as well as becoming very mild once more as a broad and strong SW flow is well set across the UK with troughs rushing through at times.


GEM again tonight shows a very unstable Christmas period with strong winds and rain at times for all and again tonight the model indicates somewhat lower temperatures with time allowing some snowfall in the squally showers occurring over the Christmas period.


NAVGEM also shows wet and very windy conditions next weekend and to end it's run with temperatures well up in association with the near gale or more WSW wind.


ECM tonight also shows a trend towards High pressure building back briefly from the South in the few days up to Christmas before Christmas itself looks like a mild and wet one with rain followed by showers on a gale West or SW wind.


The GFS Ensembles are edging towards another milder phase now as we approach and carry through the Christmas period although the operational version I described above was a bit of an outlier at this point. None the less there is still little sign from any member of anything remotely in the way of snow and ice in a big way.


The Jet Stream shows the flow across the UK through all of this week before it has introduced a short shift North again as we move towards and over Christmas before returning South on a West to East axis late in the run.


In Summary the indications are for the weather to stay relatively mild for the foreseeable future with plenty of rain at times with strong to gale force winds too on occasion. If anything tonight the prospects for a deeply unsettled and colder Christmas has receded somewhat tonight as High pressure builds back North towards Southern Britain from France in the days before Christmas before things turn mild, wet and windy again over the period itself. With pressure remaining High over Southern Europe winds will remain from the West for some considerable time aided by a powerful Jet stream. Day to Day differences in daily detail will change regularly over the coming days but there is little change expected in the overall pattern.


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Hungry Tiger
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:29:02 PM



Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Mildest December Since 1988 Developing?



Looking like a "December To Remember" for the wrong reasons.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks for the record high temp in uk dec info.... I used to work in horticulture for around 8 years, we really need a cold spell, pref below freezing to keep the plant world in sync.... apart from stuff budding And peeking out of the ground early, and then getting frost damage.... the plant world, especially seeds need natural stratification (a proper freezing) so lets hope that the weather changes sooner rather than later, even if its only a short time, a single week will do.... Also, what is OROGRAPHIC rain?
VSC


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks.   I actually forgot to show the all time wamest December in 1974 - 8.1.  Given how mild this December has been and we're still a long way short of 1974, that must have been some month!!!


Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


I remember December 1974 very well - I was running the school weather station at the time. It was a month in which the temperature rarely fell below 10C even at night. There were many days in which the temperature hit 12C,  13C or even 14C at times.


Mild weather carried on into January and the daffodils came out in many places by the end of the month.


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Hungry Tiger
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:31:20 PM

Anyway back on topic.


Xmas day looks like we might be able to sit outside.


Boxing day looks very mild as well.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


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Chunky Pea
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:05:52 PM


Xmas day looks like we might be able to sit outside.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


I dunno man...


http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_eur_12/ecmwf12.11.gif?t=1387141327


 


With a 914 hPa low to the NW, could be uncomfortable.


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doctormog
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:07:43 PM


Xmas day looks like we might be able to sit outside.UserPostedImageUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 



I dunno man...
http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_eur_12/ecmwf12.11.gif?t=1387141327  UserPostedImage

With a 914 hPa low to the NW, could be uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



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KevBrads1
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:12:09 PM


Xmas day looks like we might be able to sit outside.UserPostedImageUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 



I dunno man...
http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_eur_12/ecmwf12.11.gif?t=1387141327  UserPostedImage

With a 914 hPa low to the NW, could be uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Crikey, would that be the lowest pressure recorded over the North Atlantic since the Braer storm, if it happened?


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Hungry Tiger
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:14:43 PM

Xmas day looks like we might be able to sit outside.UserPostedImageUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

I dunno man... http://meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_eur_12/ecmwf12.11.gif?t=1387141327  UserPostedImage With a 914 hPa low to the NW, could be uncomfortable.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Crikey, would that be the lowest pressure recorded over the North Atlantic since the Braer storm, if it happened? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MgMm96GYQ


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


If that verified then it would be a new record .  2 mb lower in fact.


The Braer Storm was 916mb.


http://www.landforms.eu/shetland/braer%20storm.htm


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doctormog
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:20:13 PM
I think the Braer storm was actually 914mb at its deepest?
Hungry Tiger
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:23:39 PM

I think the Braer storm was actually 914mb at its deepest?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


This article backs that up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braer_Storm_of_January_1993


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Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:29:35 PM

Just to say thanks for info and links on dec temps, right now outside its a balmy 13.1C @ 21.30!! Thats 2 metres height. VSC


Just corrected spelling - Mind you barmy isn't too far from the mark with this mild weather.

Gooner
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:07:40 PM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121518/gfsnh-0-96.png?18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013121518/gfsnh-1-96.png?18


At least parts of the N and NW will get something wintry


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Gooner
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:09:50 PM

The 12z ENS really are all over the shop, at least the average is coming down though


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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Chiltern Blizzard
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:16:02 PM


The 12z ENS really are all over the shop, at least the average is coming down though


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed, yet not one showing anything exciting in terms of cold at any point in the next 16 days....


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Snowvillain
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:38:37 PM
Very poor outlook for us coldies. Wake me up when it's all over....
doctormog
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:40:17 PM
The GFS 18z goes for a rather more low pressure dominated Christmas...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png 
Snowedin3
Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:47:26 PM
Looks like a cold outlier for FI but nice to see 🙂
Dean Barnes
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Chiltern Blizzard
Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:01:07 PM

Looks like a cold outlier for FI but nice to see :)

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 


Yes, ice days by end of the month!  Too far ahead to be taken as even remotely likely but does show we're not necessarily doomed to be stuck in this rut for the rest of this month, let alone into mid-January, still less the rest of winter.


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