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Gooner
07 January 2014 23:34:31



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-180.png?18


The control also very keen on the East


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-0-180.png?18


Might wake a few people up


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Wow...now that chart WOULD make me interested and believe.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Which is why when I answered your PM saying it is far too early to write Winter off. Of course it could all swing back but there is a change on the way to much colder weather ................as of this minute


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
07 January 2014 23:39:11

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-1-1-204.png?18


Have to laugh at P1 we would be buried, from Floods to Blizzards in a matter of days


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Snowedin3
07 January 2014 23:39:44

Nothing to get excited about.
http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Why do you continually post this link? It's massively unhelpful :/
Dean Barnes
Finstock, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire
160m ASL 525 Ft
jondg14
07 January 2014 23:42:08
http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2050/gens-21-1-168_iof6.png 

With all those pertubations going that way Gooner the mean for a weeks time looks decent. A massive swing from GFS within 12 hours towards a blocked pattern. It is the pub run though so let's see what the 00z runs produce before we get too giddy.

Edit: Having said that P1 is seriously juicy 🤤
Karl Guille
07 January 2014 23:43:02


14 of the 21 have an easterly influence of one sort or another for the Channel Islands in the T216 - 240 period, with four or five of them offering something special.

St. Sampson
Guernsey
White Meadows
07 January 2014 23:45:09

A grim outlook for mild lovers out there this evening (are there more than one?).
The trend is towards cold for most if not all of the UK next week.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Isn't this the reverse of the sort of posts you have been slating Jacko for? You can't have it both ways.

Back on topic - not sure the GFS is close to a massive snow event for most of the country. Looks miles off to me, particularly taking into account other outputs. If that op happened it may well bring snow to higher parts and Scotland, but a more wintry mix or rain to lower levels of most of England.

Personally I think late January is the key for coldies. I don't currently think there will be much in the way of snow around for many at all next week. Could change of course.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 



Just calling things how I see them in the current output. Personal opinions and all...

Back on topic, 18z ensembles are really going to raise some eyebrows. Will the 00z keep the trend going though?
Lots of signals suggesting they might at present.
Gooner
07 January 2014 23:47:20

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2050/gens-21-1-168_iof6.png With all those pertubations going that way Gooner the mean for a weeks time looks decent. A massive swing from GFS within 12 hours towards a blocked pattern. It is the pub run though so let's see what the 00z runs produce before we get too giddy. Edit: Having said that P1 is seriously juicy 🤤

Originally Posted by: jondg14 


Indeed Jon, we can only comment on what is currently on show


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


moomin75
07 January 2014 23:50:56


http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2050/gens-21-1-168_iof6.png With all those pertubations going that way Gooner the mean for a weeks time looks decent. A massive swing from GFS within 12 hours towards a blocked pattern. It is the pub run though so let's see what the 00z runs produce before we get too giddy. Edit: Having said that P1 is seriously juicy 🤤

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed Jon, we can only comment on what is currently on show


Originally Posted by: jondg14 

Well one observation I have made over the last couple of years, is that quite often, rather than "downgrades" cropping up, quite often we see "upgrades" closer to the event.


No doubt in Mattyland they will have copious amounts of snowfall because of his Bristol snow magnet.


I'm still going to remain cautious Marcus, because as you know, Witney NEVER gets snow!


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
nsrobins
07 January 2014 23:51:07

Been away on business - have I missed anything?


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gooner
07 January 2014 23:54:02



http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2050/gens-21-1-168_iof6.png With all those pertubations going that way Gooner the mean for a weeks time looks decent. A massive swing from GFS within 12 hours towards a blocked pattern. It is the pub run though so let's see what the 00z runs produce before we get too giddy. Edit: Having said that P1 is seriously juicy 🤤

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Indeed Jon, we can only comment on what is currently on show


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Well one observation I have made over the last couple of years, is that quite often, rather than "downgrades" cropping up, quite often we see "upgrades" closer to the event.


No doubt in Mattyland they will have copious amounts of snowfall because of his Bristol snow magnet.


I'm still going to remain cautious Marcus, because as you know, Witney NEVER gets snow!


Originally Posted by: jondg14 


So Mark keeps telling me


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Brendon Hills Bandit
07 January 2014 23:54:50
Interesting, how the official TWO winter forecast predicted a cold spell in mid-Jan, perhaps it will verify.
As far as I can remember the TWO winter forecasts have been suprisingly accurate.
220m asl, edge of Brendon Hills
moomin75
08 January 2014 00:07:11

Well 18z ensembles are definitely trending colder and the operational was one of the warmer runs in the early FI range...so very interesting developments.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
moomin75
08 January 2014 00:11:50

Wouldn't it be ironic if Jiries heads over to Canada just at the time the weather warms up over there and then we get blasted!



(Just joking Jiries)!



Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Karl Guille
08 January 2014 00:17:55
You all know something is brewing because my post count is up!!
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Cavok
08 January 2014 00:37:26

Gents


The RMI Belgium is showing a cooling trend on their 14 Day Temps Model


http://www.meteo.be/meteo/view/en/65656-Weather.html?region=belgium&period=15daysmaxtemp


Chris


Leuven BE

Rob K
08 January 2014 01:27:05

Nothing to get excited about.
http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm 

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 



Why do you continually post this link? It's massively unhelpful :/

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Actually if you're on a mobile it's quite a useful link as it shows charts throughout the run on one handy page so you can see at a glance what is going on without having to click lots of links.


Anyway 18z ensembles not bad although not quite as good as the 12z, from memory.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

For the most part it's a case of "nice synoptics, shame about the temperatures"!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Scandy 1050 MB
08 January 2014 05:30:54

Humble pie for GFS anyone?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=180&mode=0


Does go back to the usual mild mush into FI further on, but GFS always does that anyway - looking forward to ECM in a few hours.


 


 


 


 


 

Gusty
08 January 2014 06:04:38

GFS has taken another step towards a potentially much colder and wintry solution from the middle of next week.


Here is the GEFS mean at just 168 hours. 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-21-1-168.png?0


 


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Karl Guille
08 January 2014 06:08:42


Excellent GEM once again this morning. Both GFS and GEM show as south-easterly set up as early as Sunday with significantly lower 850hPA temps, especially for the north, by the early part of next week. If anything, this mornings model runs keep the coldest of the weather further north before gradually slipping things further south and setting up quite a raw easterly for southern parts. GEFS now has mean 850hPA temps widely below -5 with -10 on the cards if this easterly comes to fruition! Interesting times and bring on the ECM!


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Gusty
08 January 2014 06:23:10

ECM 96 is looking very good.


WAA over the UK, Arctic High nosing southwards, jet on a sliding SE'wards track, and a trough over western Siberia feeding a deep cold pool into Scandinavia.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm961.gif


 


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Polar Low
08 January 2014 06:32:01

Nice "Westward correction"


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=0&map=1&archive=0

Retron
08 January 2014 06:37:55


Would love to hear from Darren/Retron tomorrow am. This is looking good though early days yet. Darren let us know your thoughts please.


Originally Posted by: Sasa 


I've been pretty quiet recently (largely due to going back to work), but suffice to say things are going as expected. The pattern change on the 9th is still there and, I must say, was an excellent spot by the ECM-15 almost two weeks ago. Sustained mild weather was never an option (beyond 5% or so) after the change and as mentioned last week the choice then became whether we'd have an average spell or a colder one.


The only change since the weekend is that the colder option has become more and more likely, with it now being the odds-on favourite. There's still a small but not ignorable chance of it staying near average, but for the time being I'd go for the cold option.


There are a few things to watch out for now that cold is looking likely:



  • How long will it last? Nobody knows, but a spell of several cold days is now looking probable.

  • Will it snow? Almost certainly, but of course it's too far out to be specific. In the meantime, the GFS op has a prolonged rain-to-snow scenario for southern England, which would be interesting for us southerners!

  • Will the pattern be self-sustaining? The models are undecided but going on recent years we'll need to watch out for trough disruption to the west. (There are several informal terms for this, "sliders", "lows going under the block" and so on). Every trough that disrupts to the west gives an extension to the cold.

  • The upper high is part of the puzzle. It's related to the trough disruption (which is itself related to the jet) but for a quick glance the location of that upper high is important. If it sinks SE'wards it becomes harder - but not impossible! - to sustain a cold spell.

  • The 528 line is less useful than usual. When we get a feed from the east during winter the lower levels tend to cool faster, meaning you get a cold, low-dewpoint "wedge" of air advected ahead of the colder upper air. This only serves to increase the likelihood of snow rather than rain. The effect of course lessens the further north you are as the sea has a greater modifying effect.


So, to sum up - watch for trough disruption (or sliders, lows under the block, lows getting shredded etc). Watch for the upper high near Scandinavia. And don't be at all surprised to see the models "wobble" more than once, as features too small to be resolved at the moment get picked up nearer the time (aka "spoiler lows", "shortwaves" etc).


The overall pattern is one which should excite cold weather fans and it will if nothing else bring a completely different feel to things than we've had so far this winter.


And as a final thing, it's the ECM which did the best with this. First to pick up the pattern change around a fortnight ago and the ensembles have been more consistent than its rivals. GEM deserves a mention too, as it's been pretty good at picking up the signal for an easterly. G(E)FS has performed relatively poorly and it's no wonder that work is currently being rushed along on a new version of the model. We'll see the results of that in April. It's also a reminder that although ensembles are the way to go, they're only as good as the base model driving them - if the base model is performing poorly, you'll get massive swings from the whole ensemble suite. Much as we've seen over the last 48 hours from GEFS!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
08 January 2014 06:47:28
Oh Darren your such a hero, thanks for saving the day.lol.

Yep all looking good, all models now seem to deal with the block in the cold favour. What is interesting is the speed at which the cold air develops. Overall I think it is great model watching, there is still a long way to go but odds have got to be 60/40 in favour of a cold spell.
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