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Gooner
16 February 2014 23:07:52

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021618/gfsnh-0-312.png?18


GFS still keen on an unsettled start to March


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


marting
17 February 2014 07:35:36

I would love to see the ECM 264 chart this morning , particularly the 850's temp charts as the one at 240 is weird! Still some cold charts showing up after 180 hours from the North West - probably never come into fruition. Plenty of rain about though


Martin


Martin
Greasby, Wirral.
The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 08:26:08

Models this morning a disaster in terms of rainfall. At least no wind damage which is some comfort


Even today's rain has been upgraded and some heavy showers expected in the SE corner tonight and tomorrow, when we thought we could get away with a dry few days ahead of thursdays main event


 


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roger63
17 February 2014 08:28:21


I would love to see the ECM 264 chart this morning , particularly the 850's temp charts as the one at 240 is weird! Still some cold charts showing up after 180 hours from the North West - probably never come into fruition. Plenty of rain about though


Martin


Originally Posted by: marting 


ECM shows another four LP,s Fri/Sat, Mon,Thu. keeping the rain going.The only other feature is a build of HP to the east of the UKin FI shown also  by GFS and GEM.That could  take us  back  to  the  more blocked but still wet  mid january scenario.However HP is much further east.

GIBBY
17 February 2014 08:40:28

Good morning folks. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday February 17th 2014 taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a weakening area of Low pressure crossing into the Uk from the West in attendance of a band of rain and drizzle through today and tonight. Following on behind is a spell of slack Westerly winds and occasional showers, some of which could be heavy especially tomorrow. By Thursday winds will increase from the West with bands of rain, heavy in places sweeping East and followed by colder and very blustery Westerly winds and squally showers with hail, thunder and sleet and snow all possible over the hills in the North. By Sunday a transient ridge of High pressure is shown to move across from the West with drier weather for a time with less wind and some sunshine to end the weekend.


GFS then shows a continuation of Westerly winds, strong at times with spells of rain followed by colder and more showery weather in between. It will often be windy and relatively mild.


UKMO shows next Sunday with a ridge of High pressure across the UK giving a dry and brighter period before the next Low looks like trundling across from the west to start next week.


GEM has strong SW winds throughout the end of it's run with frequent troughs moving NE in the flow bringing rain and showers across at times in temperatures relatively mild for the time of year.


NAVGEM also shows next Sunday's ridge quickly giving way to more cloud and rain as a strong SW flow sets up next week with deep Low pressure to the NW.


ECM today also shows Low pressure to the NW with spells of rain and showers running quickly NE across the UK on occasion with temperatures well up to average overall.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show Low pressure still up to the NW with SW winds for all and fronts delivering rain at times in generally mild conditions.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles show sustained and unsettled weather under Atlantic domination of Westerly or SW winds. All areas are shown to receive rain at times with strong winds at times too and temeratures largely close to average.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php


The Jet Stream shows an undulating pattern throughout with the axis involving the UK in it's movements with a strengthening of the flow again looking likely next week.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=0&mode=3&carte=0


In Summary the pattern remains unchanged with further spells of rain and strong winds affecting all areas at times throughout the next few weeks. While the severe weather of late looks unlikely the additional rain will hamper and possibly worsen the flooding conditions still affecting some areas through the period. It should remain relatively mild over the UK throughout.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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David M Porter
17 February 2014 09:32:46

Perhaps when the weather pattern in place over the USA finally changes, whenever that is, it will also in turn help to alter the pattern we have here. The weather over in the US seems to have had quite a hand in our soggy winter, from various media reports I've heard recently.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Maunder Minimum
17 February 2014 09:40:51


Perhaps when the weather pattern in place over the USA finally changes, whenever that is, it will also in turn help to alter the pattern we have here. The weather over in the US seems to have had quite a hand in our soggy winter, from various media reports I've heard recently.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I pointed out in December that the UK rarely gets a decent winter when the USA is in the freezer.


Nobody took me seriously at the time.


New world order coming.
David M Porter
17 February 2014 09:46:55



Perhaps when the weather pattern in place over the USA finally changes, whenever that is, it will also in turn help to alter the pattern we have here. The weather over in the US seems to have had quite a hand in our soggy winter, from various media reports I've heard recently.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I pointed out in December that the UK rarely gets a decent winter when the USA is in the freezer.


Nobody took me seriously at the time.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Maybe so, Maunder. That said, I'm fairly sure I read somewhere a while back that parts of the USA had a pretty notable cold spell back in early 1979 at the same time as the UK was experiencing a severe winter. Could be wrong there though.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 10:14:18

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021706/gfs-0-84.png?6


GFS winds up thursday's event into another storm.


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The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 10:21:35

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021706/gfsnh-1-162.png?6


Another push of extremely cold air into North America and the north atlantic. Can only mean more trouble for us


 


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Gooner
17 February 2014 11:29:31


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021706/gfsnh-1-162.png?6


Another push of extremely cold air into North America and the north atlantic. Can only mean more trouble for us


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Looks unsettled for sure


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Arbroath 1320
17 February 2014 11:29:47


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021706/gfsnh-1-162.png?6


Another push of extremely cold air into North America and the north atlantic. Can only mean more trouble for us


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes, after a quieter, albeit unsettled week, it is looking like back to square 1 from next weekend. GFS 06z in particular looks a rainfest into FI.


It's difficult to see a way out of this pattern.


GGTTH
The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 12:55:48

Euro 4 picks up tomorrows convection. Currently a lot rain falling in Wales and the west country, pushing into the Thames valley


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/euro4/2014/02/17/basis06/ukuk/prty/14021818_1706.gif


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Gavin P
17 February 2014 16:09:52

Hi all,


Having a look at a couple of longer range models for today's video update;


Drier March - Colder April?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


All very experimental and speclative of course - To be honest I'm struggling for things to talk about in this "rinse/repeat" pattern, LOL.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
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The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 16:29:17

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021712/gfsnh-0-174.png?12


Back to square one very soon.


 


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gooner
17 February 2014 17:52:15


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021712/gfsnh-0-174.png?12


Back to square one very soon.


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021712/gfsnh-0-216.png?12


A familiar picture


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
17 February 2014 19:24:55

ECM looks a little drier for the south, with high pressure over Europe trying to ridge up


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Gooner
17 February 2014 19:26:54

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021712/ECH1-240.GIF?17-0


The unsettled theme continues


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


GIBBY
17 February 2014 20:39:59

Good evening everyone. Here is tonight's report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAGEM and ECM plus ensemble data and Jet Stream report from that available, the report taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a weakening Low pressure moving into the West of the UK with the rain of today in the west making it's way Eastwards while becoming much lighter generally. A weak Westerly flow is then shown through Tuesday and Wednesday with scattered showers and drier spells for many but with a lot of cloud. Later on Wednesday and Thursday winds will increase with cloud and rain spreading in from the west through Wednesday night and lasting into Thursday before a strong westerly flow brings showers or longer spells of rain across all areas through the period Thursday to Saturday with a ridge of High pressure moving quickly East over the UK later on Saturday with a drier interlude for all later in the day.


GFS then shows Sunday as another day when SW winds will be increasing with cloud and rain spreading across from the West through the day. Through the rest of the run the weather remains very mobile in a strong and gusty SW flow with rain or showers at times and strong winds too always between South and West.


UKMO shows a mild SW flow to close it's run next Monday with cloudy skies and rain or drizzle at times and with a cold front approaching from the West by Tuesday heavier rain will be on the horizon.


GEM has very unsettled weather continuing with the same SW flow as UKMO at 144hrs with Low pressure to the North maintaining spells of rain and showers at times for all in brisk Westerly winds.


NAVGEM has a mild SW flow too early next week with increasingly wet weather expected as pressure falls and troughs cross steadily NE over the UK with spells of rain and strong winds increasing with time.


ECM tonight also has the SW'ly to start next week but the operational has higher pressure over Europe with the worst of the rain affecting the North and West while Southern and Eastern areas while seeing some rain have longer dry spells in between.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day mean Charts suggest a rather suspect operational tonight as the mean follows the pattern of the last week maintaining a preference to keep Low pressure close to the NW of the UK with SW winds carrying rain bearing fronts and showers overall areas at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continuation of temperatures close to average with rain at times in mild SW winds. There remains little evidence of a major pattern shift anytime soon.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php


The Jet Stream continues to show a generally weaker feed across the Atlantic and the UK this week before it strengthens again next week in a sine wave pattern.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=0&code=0&mode=3&carte=0


In Summary tonight there remains little overall change tonight in what we have been seeing over recent days. There doesn't look like being a repeat of the recent powerful storms though windy weather will still be likely with rain at times for all in generally mild conditions considering the time of year.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Quantum
17 February 2014 21:34:09

Think you won the bet easily nordic.


Absolutely awful outlook, all hints of blocking have vanished. I thought 2011 was bad. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
17 February 2014 22:13:52

Think you won the bet easily nordic.
Absolutely awful outlook, all hints of blocking have vanished. I thought 2011 was bad.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Fair play for facing up to it.


Re the output. It may not be as stormy, but it could certainly be no less disruptive in terms of flooding.

At least it will be mild, as Gav would say.
Gooner
17 February 2014 22:40:33

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021718/gfsnh-0-300.png?18


Could be a miserable outlook even in the long term


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3121.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3124.gif



 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Medlock Vale Weather
17 February 2014 22:46:50


Watch this epic northern blocking will appear in April giving us false hope for a BBQ Summer. 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Gooner
18 February 2014 07:33:48

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


shows a cooler start to March


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
18 February 2014 08:28:44
The TWO winter model discussion thread.
It gives me much sorrow to report the winter season model thread passed away peacefully in its sleep last night.
A much loved member of the TWO community, it enjoyed an exciting last few years but it's health started to suffer last November after catching a bout of ECMitis, a condition that results in visions and hallucinations.
In the past few weeks Drs Quantum and Gooner have laboured in vain to halt its demise, but Thursdays phantom ECM run was one false hope to far.
The funeral will be announced as soon as the floods at the burial ground recede.

There are no plans as yet to replace its position next season, or indeed if there will be a winter at all.

Rest in peace

:)
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO

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