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springsunshine
19 June 2014 21:26:31

Difference between us and Uraguay was Suarez.Whatever you think of him he is a world class striker and probably was only 75% fit tonite,


We are falling further and further behind most other nations,something drastic needs be done to even begin to restore England as a competetive force in international football

Matty H
19 June 2014 21:29:48

Difference between us and Uraguay was Suarez.Whatever you think of him he is a world class striker and probably was only 75% fit tonite,
We are falling further and further behind most other nations,something drastic needs be done to even begin to restore England as a competetive force in international football

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 



...said everyone for the last 20 years.


Lumi, yes, wasn't saying you were among the same point as Lee 'if it hadn't have been for' Dixon.
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Lumi-Ukko
19 June 2014 21:35:55

Difference between us and Uraguay was Suarez.Whatever you think of him he is a world class striker and probably was only 75% fit tonite, We are falling further and further behind most other nations,something drastic needs be done to even begin to restore England as a competetive force in international football

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

...said everyone for the last 20 years. Lumi, yes, wasn't saying you were among the same point as Lee 'if it hadn't have been for' Dixon.

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Gotchya


@Springsunshine, I am not sure about us falling behind other football nations since I believe we are heading the right direction again.  I just think if we can sort out the defence, and get a striker with cutting edge (Sturridge is still a work in progress), then we can compete more.

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KevBrads1
19 June 2014 21:44:18
Unfortunately, football is the national sport but the national team doesn't deserve the level of support it gets.

It's about time people start deserting their support of them because they are being mugged by them and have been for most of the last half century.

It would be interesting to compare the success of the national football team since 1966 in big tournaments compare to our other national sporting teams in that same period in big tournaments.

It wouldn't surprise me if it is way down the list.

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19 June 2014 21:46:04

"If it hadn't been for the other 31 teams, England would have this World Cup in the bag" - Lee Dixon, 2014

Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 



LOL!

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Hungry Tiger
19 June 2014 21:49:43

Unfortunately, football is the national sport but the national team doesn't deserve the level of support it gets. It's about time people start deserting their support of them because they are being mugged by them and have been for most of the last half century. It would be interesting to compare the success of the national football team since 1966 in big tournaments compare to our other national sporting teams in that same period in big tournaments. It wouldn't surprise me if it is way down the list.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


The way things are going at the moment - this may well happen.


 

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Brian Gaze
19 June 2014 21:54:09

Thought it was a poor match compared to the Italy one, although tonight I was stone cold sober which may partly explain things.  Sorry, but I don't buy all this 'jam tomorrow' stuff about the current England team. I'm old enough to have heard this rinse and repeat many times. Uruguay didn't look anything special, and the current Italian team is average by their standards. 

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future_is_orange
19 June 2014 22:02:10
England failed to pass the ball well, couldn't control the ball when it was passed at 100mph. Unable to win a 50/50 ball was a real pussy performance
wallaw
19 June 2014 22:02:44

Unfortunately, football is the national sport but the national team doesn't deserve the level of support it gets.

It's about time people start deserting their support of them because they are being mugged by them and have been for most of the last half century.

It would be interesting to compare the success of the national football team since 1966 in big tournaments compare to our other national sporting teams in that same period in big tournaments.

It wouldn't surprise me if it is way down the list.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Brilliant comment and completely agree.

I have nothing in common with these people any more, they are not my kind of people, they believe themselves to be celebs and see themselves on the front page as often as the back. It didn't look like it hurt nearly enough to me.

Take a look at how gutted the rugby players were last week and that was basically a friendly. Do I care that England are out? Yes, because I'm patriotic and want my country to succeed. Do I care that these self absorbed, over paid chavs are coming home early? Not a bit, in fact in the back of my mind somewhere I'm rather pleased.
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Matty H
19 June 2014 22:03:14

Thought it was a poor match compared to the Italy one, although tonight I was stone cold sober which may partly explain things.UserPostedImageSorry, but I don't buy all this 'jam tomorrow' stuff about the current England team. I'm old enough to have heard this rinse and repeat many times. Uruguay didn't look anything special, and the current Italian team is average by their standards.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Remember the 'Golden Generation'? As you rightly say, it's always jam tomorrow. Tomorrow never comes, and it won't come in 2016 either.
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howham
19 June 2014 22:10:42
Come back Capello....;-)
westv
19 June 2014 22:12:22

Come back Capello....;-)

Originally Posted by: howham 



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Brian Gaze
19 June 2014 22:12:32

Bookies apparently taking odds on where Woy will put Wooney next - an aisle seat or a window seat? 

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Medlock Vale Weather
19 June 2014 22:16:48


Bookies apparently taking odds on where Woy will put Wooney next - an aisle seat or a window seat? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


On the wing!......the plane wing! 

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Saint Snow
19 June 2014 22:36:54

Oh dear.


Uruguay gave England no time on the ball, and England crumbled. So many players looking scared sh*tless when they received the ball. Why are English players so uncomfortable on the ball?


Shocker. But then, I've said all along that Hodgson is an abysmal manager; had first hand experience of him at my club.


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Medlock Vale Weather
19 June 2014 22:44:41


Oh dear.


Uruguay gave England no time on the ball, and England crumbled. So many players looking scared sh*tless when they received the ball. Why are English players so uncomfortable on the ball?


Shocker. But then, I've said all along that Hodgson is an abysmal manager; had first hand experience of him at my club.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yep, Capello was foul aswell, loved 4-4-2 but with a defensive mindset to boot, how dull.


Eriksson was certainly better at least he got us to the quarters in 2002 and 2006, best achievements since Italia 90.


 

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JHutch
19 June 2014 22:48:18



Oh dear.


Uruguay gave England no time on the ball, and England crumbled. So many players looking scared sh*tless when they received the ball. Why are English players so uncomfortable on the ball?


Shocker. But then, I've said all along that Hodgson is an abysmal manager; had first hand experience of him at my club.


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Yep, Capello was foul aswell, loved 4-4-2 but with a defensive mindset to boot, how dull.


Eriksson was certainly better at least he got us to the quarters in 2002 and 2006, best achievements since Italia 90.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


and Euro 96

Saint Snow
19 June 2014 22:52:14




Oh dear.


Uruguay gave England no time on the ball, and England crumbled. So many players looking scared sh*tless when they received the ball. Why are English players so uncomfortable on the ball?


Shocker. But then, I've said all along that Hodgson is an abysmal manager; had first hand experience of him at my club.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Yep, Capello was foul aswell, loved 4-4-2 but with a defensive mindset to boot, how dull.


Eriksson was certainly better at least he got us to the quarters in 2002 and 2006, best achievements since Italia 90.


 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


and Euro 96


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Wasn't it Venables who was boss at Euro 96?


And Eriksson was poor, IMO. He had 'the golden generation' but tried to change our natural playing style, which worsened us, he never had a plan B, and squandered a 'golden' opportunity.


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JHutch
19 June 2014 22:54:07


So, Stevie G slips and lets the Chavs in: Check


Misses a header against Uruguay: Check


When he makes errors they are absolute corkers.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Last minute v France 2004?

Medlock Vale Weather
19 June 2014 22:55:06




Oh dear.


Uruguay gave England no time on the ball, and England crumbled. So many players looking scared sh*tless when they received the ball. Why are English players so uncomfortable on the ball?


Shocker. But then, I've said all along that Hodgson is an abysmal manager; had first hand experience of him at my club.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Yep, Capello was foul aswell, loved 4-4-2 but with a defensive mindset to boot, how dull.


Eriksson was certainly better at least he got us to the quarters in 2002 and 2006, best achievements since Italia 90.


 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


and Euro 96


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Well I meant the World Cup lol.... but yeah Terry Venables was an alright manager but not great, but also we had a decent team for Euro 96 which helped.......we had the likes of Gascoigne, Shearer, Ince, Sheringham, McManaman, Adams etc. Probably a much stronger side than we have right now.

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Saint Snow
19 June 2014 22:55:39


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Matty H
19 June 2014 22:56:29
Praying for a Italy v Costa Rica draw to put an end to this Brazil 2014 myth once and for all.

This is a superb tournament. It knocks South Africa (the worst World Cup of my lifetime) out of the park. Genuinely looking forward to the rest of it 👍
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SydneyonTees
19 June 2014 23:20:43

Praying for a Italy v Costa Rica draw to put an end to this Brazil 2014 myth once and for all. This is a superb tournament. It knocks South Africa (the worst World Cup of my lifetime) out of the park. Genuinely looking forward to the rest of it 👍

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


On the way to work this morning I was kind of thnking about what if Costa Rica managed to beat us and knock Uruguay out, would I be shattered by that.........errrrrrr no.


The sight of the bucked teeth Feddie Mercury look alike in tears would surely be worth it.


England don't have a ***ing chance of getting through and I don't care what the mathematics say. If we are going down take Suarez with us.


I am not thinking rationally at the moment of course.............this view may change.

The Beast from the East
19 June 2014 23:23:54

I'm sure Woy will say it was another "Gweat" performance


Sadly it looks like he will be allowed to see out the end of his contwact

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Lumi-Ukko
19 June 2014 23:46:42


Praying for a Italy v Costa Rica draw to put an end to this Brazil 2014 myth once and for all. This is a superb tournament. It knocks South Africa (the worst World Cup of my lifetime) out of the park. Genuinely looking forward to the rest of it 👍

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


On the way to work this morning I was kind of thnking about what if Costa Rica managed to beat us and knock Uruguay out, would I be shattered by that.........errrrrrr no.


The sight of the bucked teeth Feddie Mercury look alike in tears would surely be worth it.


England don't have a ***ing chance of getting through and I don't care what the mathematics say. If we are going down take Suarez with us.


I am not thinking rationally at the moment of course.............this view may change.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


My feelings precisely. funny, that I was about to write about my drive home from work this afternoon. As each of the 83 miles passed, I got increasingly annoyed at that match I just saw. No bottle.

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