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Matty H
27 July 2014 18:53:49

The 12z operationals are just absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Agreed Matty..awful 


Lets just hope that the background signal from the GFS and the Met Office longer range thoughts for a northeastward push of the Azores High comes to fruition circa 6-8th August onwards.


We are spending 3 weeks in Cornwall from the 8th August camping..an atlantic dominated August would be a disaster down there.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Admittedly I didn't see the MetO longer range discussion the other day, Steve, but I've just looked at it now and it doesn't sound particularly inspiring to me. Has it changed?
27 July 2014 19:00:31


The 12z operationals are just absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Agreed Matty..awful 


Lets just hope that the background signal from the GFS and the Met Office longer range thoughts for a northeastward push of the Azores High comes to fruition circa 6-8th August onwards.


We are spending 3 weeks in Cornwall from the 8th August camping..an atlantic dominated August would be a disaster down there.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Admittedly I didn't see the MetO longer range discussion the other day, Steve, but I've just looked at it now and it doesn't sound particularly inspiring to me. Has it changed?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


It was more cheerful than that earlier yes, it was updated at 5pm today. Seems they are taking on board the more unsettled signals. Still some hope at the end of the forecast but I detest using the word 'hope' in this circumstance, it can be a vicious cycle endlessly cherry-picking high pressure dominated charts at t+384!


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Medlock Vale Weather
27 July 2014 19:04:18

Start of August not looking too good for the UK, meanwhile you couldn't ask for better weather for a heatwave across Eastern Europe especially Moscow, some incredible ensembles emerging tonight if you like long lasting heat. Maybe it's that "HAARP" program orchestrated by the USA 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Moskau_ens.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Warschau_ens.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Kiew_ens.png


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idj20
27 July 2014 19:21:28



The 12z operationals are just absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 


Agreed Matty..awful 


Lets just hope that the background signal from the GFS and the Met Office longer range thoughts for a northeastward push of the Azores High comes to fruition circa 6-8th August onwards.


We are spending 3 weeks in Cornwall from the 8th August camping..an atlantic dominated August would be a disaster down there.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Admittedly I didn't see the MetO longer range discussion the other day, Steve, but I've just looked at it now and it doesn't sound particularly inspiring to me. Has it changed?

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


It was more cheerful than that earlier yes, it was updated at 5pm today. Seems they are taking on board the more unsettled signals. Still some hope at the end of the forecast but I detest using the word 'hope' in this circumstance, it can be a vicious cycle endlessly cherry-picking high pressure dominated charts at t+384!


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I, too, have cast my eyes across the latest GFS 15 dayers and thought "Eh? Has Autumn arrived early?". But - and it might just be me - but doesn't the 12z run tend to be more Atlantic "flavoured"? I'll bet the 18z run will then show a more high-pressure-type output. After all, it is just one of many runs anyway.

There's still a good week of fairly decent summer-like weather to come before that in any case but I'm hoping things doesn't get too unsettled come next Monday what with Prince Harry being here at Folkestone to attend the World War ceremony. That is a long way off in reliable forecasting terms anyway.


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Gusty
27 July 2014 19:58:33


The 12z operationals are just absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Agreed Matty..awful 


Lets just hope that the background signal from the GFS and the Met Office longer range thoughts for a northeastward push of the Azores High comes to fruition circa 6-8th August onwards.


We are spending 3 weeks in Cornwall from the 8th August camping..an atlantic dominated August would be a disaster down there.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Admittedly I didn't see the MetO longer range discussion the other day, Steve, but I've just looked at it now and it doesn't sound particularly inspiring to me. Has it changed?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Sadly, it has changed in favour of a more unsettled outlook Matty..until today they had been rather bullish about the prospects of a longer term setted spell. Like you I am really sceptical with long range stuff but when the pro's are consistent in their approach (and it actually comes off...as it does occasionally) then I sit up and pay attention.


Tonights Met O 'downgrade' longer term is dissapointing..they have less confidence and for this reason are now seemingly at the whim of the output..lets hope the background signal re-establishes soon..otherwise I will have to spend 3 weeks in the clubhouse rather than on the beach..always with a beer of course .


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Stormchaser
27 July 2014 20:20:54

Having some technical difficulties with my laptop at the moment, but should be back in full swing soon 


A brief opportunity to glance at the models reveals a curious scenario, with an Atlantic trough complex feeding disturbances across the UK, but also heights trying remarkably hard to rise close to our E and NE.


The models are likely to struggle a lot with that sort of setup... but at the very least it appears that the height rises to the east will tend to keep feeding warmer air into the mix, resulting in temperatures near average in the wetter spells (day and night combined, that is...) and above average as and when the sun makes an appearance.


 


Not bad really considering the weather we've been having over the past couple of weeks. Shame there's the potential for some places to see more rain than would be appreciated, due to slow moving systems and convective features.


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Whether Idle
27 July 2014 21:07:51



The 12z operationals are just absolutely disgusting.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Agreed Matty..awful 


Lets just hope that the background signal from the GFS and the Met Office longer range thoughts for a northeastward push of the Azores High comes to fruition circa 6-8th August onwards.


We are spending 3 weeks in Cornwall from the 8th August camping..an atlantic dominated August would be a disaster down there.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Admittedly I didn't see the MetO longer range discussion the other day, Steve, but I've just looked at it now and it doesn't sound particularly inspiring to me. Has it changed?

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Sadly, it has changed in favour of a more unsettled outlook Matty..until today they had been rather bullish about the prospects of a longer term setted spell. Like you I am really sceptical with long range stuff but when the pro's are consistent in their approach (and it actually comes off...as it does occasionally) then I sit up and pay attention.


Tonights Met O 'downgrade' longer term is dissapointing..they have less confidence and for this reason are now seemingly at the whim of the output..lets hope the background signal re-establishes soon..otherwise I will have to spend 3 weeks in the clubhouse rather than on the beach..always with a beer of course .


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


And the occasional orange juice and lemonade. 


I am more upbeat about the weather in the SE at least.


  I have a family holiday in north Wales come mid August so fingers crossed on that one, the Azores High has a chance of re-assertion come 7th August - see this ensemble:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png


and a favourable end to ECM:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


and JMA is optimistic for the S:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rjma1921.gif


Plenty of output to encourage, though clearly not as straightforward as recently but I believe that the high pressure will win out and the lows will tend to fill and be associated more with showers.  The summer thus far has been warm and sunny but punctuated with wetter intervals.  I see that pattern continuing, and I believe the output tonight reflects that, with a wetter interlude in the first few days of the new month, before the weather settles down again around 8-9th August at the latest.


WI


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White Meadows
27 July 2014 21:27:29
Ensembles now showing signals of a heat resurge Into 2nd week of August.
Maybe the last harahh of this summer will be the greatest.
GIBBY
28 July 2014 07:14:12

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY MONDAY JULY 28TH 2014.


NEXT EXCLUSIVE UPDATE ON MY WEBSITE FROM 22:00HRS THIS EVENING


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A trough of Low pressure will slowly relax away East from SE England through the day with a ridge moving SE over the UK behind it.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Somewhat more changeable than of late with some rain or showers from later this week. Becoming drier and warmer in the South and East again late in the period.


GFS The GFS operational this morning shows a trend towards cooler and more unsettled weather later this week though it takes until late in the week to reach the South. Shallow Low pressure areas next weekend will bring a mix of sunshine and heavy showers before through Week 2 a somewhat more mobile Atlantic setup develops with depressions running across close to the UK delivering showers or longer spells of rain in blustery West or SW winds. As always in these conditions the North and West will see the heaviest rain and it could still be quite dry and warm in SE England at times. Late in the run the first ex tropical Low pressure feature moves in close to the West of the UK maintaining the breezy and unsettled picture but still reasonably warm and at times humid conditions across the SE. The Ensembles differ slightly in respect to the extent of unsettled weather with SE Britain often very warm due to the close proximity of higher pressure and heat over Europe while Northern and Western Britain maintain a more unsettled flavour with rain or showers at times in blustery SW winds in association with Atlantic Low pressure close to the NW. The Ensembles also have removed the ex-tropical storm from it's output that the operational shows close to the end of it's run.


UKMO UKMO this morning shows complex Low pressure areas over the UK next weekend with showers or longer spells of rain in cyclonic and variable wind strengths. Temperatures under these conditions will be suppressed to average levels or just above in any sunny intervals between the showers.


THE FAX CHARTS TheFax Charts this morning though complex indicate no major rain bearing weather systems this side of the weekend. However, the weaker fronts shown will produce plenty of cloud at times and some light rainfall across the North and Central districts at times before more active fronts and Low pressure featured on last night's 96hr and 120hr charts will bring more coherent and widespread rainfall at the weekend in fresher temperatures and winds by then.


GEM The GEM operational this morning follows the trend of recent runs sliding lower pressure down across the UK at the end of the week and through the weekend with showers and outbreaks of rain becoming a much more widespread feature as a result. Through next week Low pressure drifts towards a point NW of the UK with a North and West/South and East split in the weather developing with the North and West seeing a breezy mix of sunshine and showers and longer outbreaks of rain while the South and East become rather warm at times with much more intermittent rainfall.


NAVGEM NAVGEM also shows a shallow area of Low pressure over the North at the weekend with sunshine and showers the most likely weather across the UK, heaviest in the North. Through the start of next week a large depression is shown in the Atlantic with warm South to SW winds bringing rain at times to the North and West while the South and East see more in the way of dry and bright weather where in the extreme SE it could become very warm again with a few thundery showers at times as weak troughs cross through the warmth.


ECM The ECM operational too looks like a showery weekend is to be expected as shallow Low pressure develops across the UK. By early next week Low pressure transfers out to the Eastern Atlantic to the West of Scotland. This too would promote a NW/SE split with the weather in the NW staying unsettled and breezy with rain at times while the SE though not immune to rain would see a good deal of dry, bright and warm weather. The end of the run does show a more widepread period of showery weather as the Low to the West edges in closer to Scotland.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS There is a shift in emphasis this morning that has cross model support for a push of Low pressure to move out into the Eastern Atlantic early next week away from the UK and setting up a more NW/SE split in the weather with South and East Britain benefitting from warmer and drier air wafting up from the South at times not shown as extensively on previous output.


MY THOUGHTS The main thrust of this morning's output shows the transition to somewhat less High pressure based weather with Low pressure more likely to be influential in a shallow form over the UK or in a deeper form moving in towards Western Britain next week. Having said that there seems unlikely to be any particularly nasty weather anywhere especially if you live in the SE where a lot of the time it will be dry and still reasonably warm or very warm. Elsewhere with Low pressure close by there is a greater risk that rain will feature more prominently and regularly day to day but there is still room for some more pleasant interludes of weather here too. Longer term the trend seems to have strengthened towards the drier and brighter conditions across the South and East to extend slowly towards other areas too as the weak Jet stream pulls depressions further towards more Northerly latitudes.


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ARTzeman
28 July 2014 07:37:40

Thank You Martin.. Nice output.  Not expecting any precipitation until Friday..






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Whether Idle
28 July 2014 07:38:10

Ensembles now showing signals of a heat resurge Into 2nd week of August.
Maybe the last harahh of this summer will be the greatest.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


The trends in SLP and 2m Temps are there to see in the 0z ensembles:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png


Looking quite warm (for the SE at least) and pressure rises (probably) after the early August dip.  Detail impossible at this stage.


 


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Gavin P
28 July 2014 12:56:52

Hi all,


Using some charts from the Korean model for today's video update:


August to January From South Korea


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Also looks at the weather for the first week of August, while looks potentially a little more westerly.


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Charmhills
28 July 2014 17:24:37

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Very unsettled Met/o 12z this evening.


Some welcome rain for the gardens at least.


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Stormchaser
28 July 2014 18:52:22

After the initial trough develops around N. Ireland and brings showery conditions with near average temperatures across much of England and Wales but something notably cooler than that for Scotland, signs are that the next trough in line will stall out further west, perhaps in line with Iceland.


GFS has performed a classic adjustment to a less flat solution from the 06z to the 12z op run, resulting in that second trough digging a lot further south, with a more marked ridge ahead of it:


http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140728/12/171/h850t850eu.png


 


Something worth keeping an eye on IMO - not so much for plume potential, rather a long-fetch, high-moisture flow from the south which could interact with the close proximity trough to bring copious rainfall amounts to some parts of the UK.


This then sets the theme for the 12z GFS op through FI (192-384 hours); troughs are often close to the west and ridges close to the east, with the UK seeing a good amount of warm air in the mix, but with that only serving to keep the precipitable water amounts very high.


Could we be headed for a warm but very wet August?


The potential seems to be increasingly strong, with ECM now sniffing around the idea too:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


 


...but on the other hand, I remember thinking a similar thing prior to June this year, and that turned out drier than average for England as a whole, though some areas did see excessive rainfall on a local scale.


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Gooner
28 July 2014 18:53:06


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Very unsettled Met/o 12z this evening.


Some welcome rain for the gardens at least.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Desperate for some rain Duane , garden is bone dry


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David M Porter
28 July 2014 19:07:52

The one common theme of the model output during the last 6 weeks or so has been that whenever the models have shown an unsettled atlantic driven spell developing, it has been downgraded somewhat with time. I'm not saying that will happen again this time, but given what has been happening recently plus the tentative indications there are of high pressure returning as we go further into August, it can't be ruled out.


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leigh2000
28 July 2014 19:17:10

It would seem that in the medium outlook, the Atlantic could well have more impetus than that of the preceding months! There is of course some scope for another plume, but I feel the heat will remain just to the east of the UK. The mix of cooler Atlantic air colliding with the warmer air mass, will as we know bring heavy rain.

A slightly cooler than average month for temperatures coming up, perhaps?

TimS
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28 July 2014 19:47:43


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Very unsettled Met/o 12z this evening.


Some welcome rain for the gardens at least.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Desperate for some rain Duane , garden is bone dry

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



Just 100 or so miles to the South East of you and here in London it's been a pretty wet month. Will be interesting to see the monthly rainfall maps.
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Solar Cycles
28 July 2014 20:12:27
Slightly off topic but it was odds on that a change to more unsettled conditions was on the cards as we are away camping for five nights from Wednesday, always a sign that the weather will turn slightly damper.[sn_sad]
Essan
28 July 2014 20:20:15

Slightly off topic but it was odds on that a change to more unsettled conditions was on the cards as we are away camping for five nights from Wednesday, always a sign that the weather will turn slightly damper.Sad

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 



Where are you going?

I recall that a few days before I set off for Badenoch 10 days ago, it was looking quite unsetted up there - in the end it was considerably hotter than any models were prediction (and bone dry)


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David M Porter
28 July 2014 20:23:48



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Very unsettled Met/o 12z this evening.


Some welcome rain for the gardens at least.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Desperate for some rain Duane , garden is bone dry


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Just 100 or so miles to the South East of you and here in London it's been a pretty wet month. Will be interesting to see the monthly rainfall maps.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I would imagine that thunderstorm activity/thundery rain has been primarily responsible for much of the rain you've had, Tim. We have had some unsettled days up here but nothing I would call excessively wet; our wettest day was probably Sat 19th July when that thundery low moved north over the country although we had no thunder here at all.


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cowman
28 July 2014 20:24:54


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Very unsettled Met/o 12z this evening.


Some welcome rain for the gardens at least.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Desperate for some rain Duane , garden is bone dry

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Just 100 or so miles to the South East of you and here in London it's been a pretty wet month. Will be interesting to see the monthly rainfall maps.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



Very little rain here for the last seven weeks, looks like that's about to change.
28 July 2014 20:29:45
Much of the rain in the south east has been very localised...here in Chichester a negligible amount of rain in July...allotment is bone dry....walkling up on the downs in Charlton Forest at the weekend, there had clearly been a lot of rain....today...very dark to our east this am...no doubt the major storms that hit Worthing and Hove....but virtually nothing here!
Stormchaser
28 July 2014 21:27:24

Drifting a bit off topic here folks, there's a precipitation thred just two clicks away 


 


The strongest of all the signals for the forseeable based on the models today is for the UK to spend the vast majority of the time on the warm side of the frontal boundaries... hence my musing of a warm/wet combination coming our way 


 


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Whether Idle
29 July 2014 06:20:00

This morning's GEM lives up to its name if you live in the east and you like things drier:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1681.gif


and warmer


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2042.gif


and ends on a settled note:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif.


 


GFS wants to start to try and settle things down:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif, but rain follows on 7th, before


we get more of this for a wee bit: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.gif.


 


Looks warm in the SE throughout.  Potentially wetter in W and NW at times.  More runs needed.


WI


 


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