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Ally Pally Snowman
12 November 2014 08:41:40

Even by their standards that Express article is insane. 


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Osprey
12 November 2014 19:04:27


 


 


 


 


US media refuses to use normal terms.  Instead has to speak about weather like its a NFL game.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I expect nothing less from the US...


On another note, any day, soon, I'm expecting the The Daily Ale to warn us of a Snowmageddon event..........


Any moment.......... Shouldn't be too long to wait........


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If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
12 November 2014 20:34:52

The Met Office is now issuing dual warnings where a warning for two weather elements is relevant for broadly the same area at the same level of warning. First one issued today for wind and rain.


This makes sense and should reduce the instances where multiple individual warnings are posted for the same day which just creates a mess on the map. We had that a lot last autumn / winter. Good to see they have listened to feedback.


http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/dual-warnings/

Gusty
14 November 2014 17:31:22

The Met Office are almost bullish in their longer range forecast up to Mid December.



UK Outlook for Saturday 29 Nov 2014 to Saturday 13 Dec 2014:


At the start of the period the most likely scenario is for a continuation of unsettled weather to affect western parts of the UK, where rainfall may well be above average. Spells of rain are likely further east at times too but the best of the dry weather is expected here. As we head into December there are signs that rainfall amounts should become nearer normal. There is currently no signal for temperatures to become lower than average but instead stay around normal for many, perhaps slightly above, especially across southern Britain. Of course, a few rather colder spells are likely during any quieter periods of weather, with a chance of overnight mist and fog in places, and patchy frost - this may be more likely across northern areas.


Updated: 1126 on Fri 14 Nov 2014


cool Sounds exciting doesn't it ? embarassed



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16 November 2014 10:33:22

MetO hedging its bets according to the 5-dayer on BBC News Channel last night. At the end of the 5-day more-or-less-certain period, high pressure could either take up residence over central Europe, with a dry and fairly mild SE flow; or over Scandinavia with ENE winds and much colder (and with a warm N Sea, it looks to me as if snow showers might feature, too)


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Osprey
16 November 2014 10:57:00

A Marr this morning mentioned Sunday T quoted Met Office warned could face one of the wettest winters in 30 years. 


No link! Bothered not!


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Jonesy
16 November 2014 11:54:31


The Met Office are almost bullish in their longer range forecast up to Mid December.



UK Outlook for Saturday 29 Nov 2014 to Saturday 13 Dec 2014:


At the start of the period the most likely scenario is for a continuation of unsettled weather to affect western parts of the UK, where rainfall may well be above average. Spells of rain are likely further east at times too but the best of the dry weather is expected here. As we head into December there are signs that rainfall amounts should become nearer normal. There is currently no signal for temperatures to become lower than average but instead stay around normal for many, perhaps slightly above, especially across southern Britain. Of course, a few rather colder spells are likely during any quieter periods of weather, with a chance of overnight mist and fog in places, and patchy frost - this may be more likely across northern areas.


Updated: 1126 on Fri 14 Nov 2014


cool Sounds exciting doesn't it ? embarassed



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


The update before that they was stating pretty much the same, so now there is flirts of something more cold in the MO thread is surprising given that meto outlook.


 I'm keeping my eye on you Steve...as when you get excited and appear more, I know something is brewing 


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Brian Gaze
16 November 2014 11:59:16


 


The update before that they was stating pretty much the same, so now there is flirts of something more cold in the MO thread is surprising given that meto outlook.


 


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


They're just holding the line rather than jumping around with the model output from run to run. It's the right approach. Sometimes it's better to say nothing rather than chop and change on your public facing forecast. This morning's GFS and GFSP both back the current Met forecast.


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Gooner
16 November 2014 12:30:40

As others rightly highlight, it's simply impossible to be bullish about outcome into trend period (beyond D 10)... albeit a weak signal to resume mobility shows beyond D13, the inconclusive prognosis shown collectively through MOGREPS-15 and EC DECIDER products into next fortnight is well summarised by the UKMO Dep. Chief: "…the dominance of anticyclonic S-SE’ly or neutral-cyclonic S-SW’ly remains undecided, with implications for a possible drier, and colder spell."          


 


^^^^^ From Fergie on NW ^^^^^^^


 


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KevBrads1
16 November 2014 14:02:13

Brian, I don't know what the computer is on churning out those White Christmas 2014 forecasts......


 http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/forecast/Christmas-weather-forecast


The computer says [Issued 16/11/2014 11:03:34]


The regional Christmas weather predictions are updated daily using medium and long range forecast data. They may indicate very different prospects to the TWO forecast above. Who will be right?
It's expected to be too mild for snow in the south.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in Wales
Snow is expected in the Midlands
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the north


Snow is expected in Scotland


It's expected to be too mild for snow in Northern Ireland.


It's expected to be too mild for snow in the Republic of Ireland.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the Netherlands


 


........but it's absolute meteorological gibberish! There's no rational weather pattern that could produce the above.


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nsrobins
16 November 2014 14:55:21


Brian, I don't know what the computer is on churning out those White Christmas 2014 forecasts......


 http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/forecast/Christmas-weather-forecast


The computer says [Issued 16/11/2014 11:03:34]


The regional Christmas weather predictions are updated daily using medium and long range forecast data. They may indicate very different prospects to the TWO forecast above. Who will be right?
It's expected to be too mild for snow in the south.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in Wales
Snow is expected in the Midlands
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the north


Snow is expected in Scotland


It's expected to be too mild for snow in Northern Ireland.


It's expected to be too mild for snow in the Republic of Ireland.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the Netherlands


 


........but it's absolute meteorological gibberish! There's no rational weather pattern that could produce the above.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


It's the same computer that used to produce those old ceefax 5 day city outlooks


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Quantum
16 November 2014 15:24:44


Brian, I don't know what the computer is on churning out those White Christmas 2014 forecasts......


 http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/forecast/Christmas-weather-forecast


The computer says [Issued 16/11/2014 11:03:34]


The regional Christmas weather predictions are updated daily using medium and long range forecast data. They may indicate very different prospects to the TWO forecast above. Who will be right?
It's expected to be too mild for snow in the south.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in Wales
Snow is expected in the Midlands
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the north


Snow is expected in Scotland


It's expected to be too mild for snow in Northern Ireland.


It's expected to be too mild for snow in the Republic of Ireland.
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the Netherlands


 


........but it's absolute meteorological gibberish! There's no rational weather pattern that could produce the above.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

 


Yes there is.  In fact this seems like a very simple pattern, snow showers in Scotland, a trough in the midlands or a streamer or the showers getting inland (it isn't that unusual). The south could have a 850hpa of -4C or so while its more like -6C further north, likewise in a north easterly Ireland would be milder. And this fits perfectly with a cold dry neverlands. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
KevBrads1
16 November 2014 15:54:54


 


Yes there is.  In fact this seems like a very simple pattern, snow showers in Scotland, a trough in the midlands or a streamer or the showers getting inland (it isn't that unusual). The south could have a 850hpa of -4C or so while its more like -6C further north, likewise in a north easterly Ireland would be milder. And this fits perfectly with a cold dry neverlands. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


OK, work yesterday's out


The computer says [Issued 15/11/2014 15:02:44] The regional Christmas weather predictions are updated daily using medium and long range forecast data. They may indicate very different prospects to the TWO forecast above. Who will be right?



It's expected to be too mild for snow in the south.
Snow is expected in Wales
Cold but dry conditions are expected in the Midlands
It's expected to be too mild for snow in the north.
Snow is expected in Scotland
It's expected to be too mild for snow in Northern Ireland.
It's expected to be too mild for snow in the Republic of Ireland.
Snow is expected in the Netherlands.


 


 


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Brian Gaze
16 November 2014 16:10:06

This could be an amusing game in the run up to Xmas? 


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Essan
16 November 2014 20:14:35

The Met Office has warned that Britain could be facing one of its wettest winters ever





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836587/Britain-facing-wettest-winter-33-years-warns-Met-Office-amid-claims-conditions-right-series-powerful-Atlantic-storms.html

I have asked the Fail for evidence to support their statement, which I believe to be lie with the deliberate intent of misinforming the public.   I doubt I will get a response.  

But unlike the Express, I believe that the Fail are signed up to the Press Complaints Commission.   So this may go on ....


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KevBrads1
16 November 2014 20:32:55





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836587/Britain-facing-wettest-winter-33-years-warns-Met-Office-amid-claims-conditions-right-series-powerful-Atlantic-storms.html

I have asked the Fail for evidence to support their statement, which I believe to be lie with the deliberate intent of misinforming the public.   I doubt I will get a response.  

But unlike the Express, I believe that the Fail are signed up to the Press Complaints Commission.   So this may go on ....


Originally Posted by: Essan 


A similar story was in the Sunday Times and apparently the Independent as well.


Since it is in at least three different newspapers with different owners, get the feeling that this story is closer coming from the horse's mouth than you think.


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16 November 2014 20:35:46

Presumably because exaggerating every aspect of wet weather in the south last winter was a big seller?


idj20
16 November 2014 20:36:29


 


A similar story was in the Sunday Times and apparently the Independent as well.


Since it is in at least three different newspapers with different owners, get the feeling that this story is closer coming from the horse's mouth than you think.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



It also appeared on the Mirror and Daily Excess's facebook page this afternoon.

I think they're just simply quoting each other articles just for the "like"s.


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Essan
16 November 2014 20:45:34


Since it is in at least three different newspapers with different owners, get the feeling that this story is closer coming from the horse's mouth than you think.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Only if the horse is not based in Exeter


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Essan
16 November 2014 21:11:12

btw I see the Dimdependent are claiming it is going to be the wettest winter for 30 years ......

Conveniently ignoring the Met office saying that last winter was the wettest on record


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lanky
16 November 2014 21:35:55

It doesn't quite fit with this statement further down the page in the same Daily Mail article


The outlook's summary suggests that the probability that precipitation during the November to January period will fall into the wettest category is around 25 percent, although this comes with the caveat that the probability of it being in the driest category is 15 percent. 



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836587/Britain-facing-wettest-winter-33-years-warns-Met-Office-amid-claims-conditions-right-series-powerful-Atlantic-storms.html#ixzz3JGmPQbck
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Now that sounds more like a Met Office statement to me
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Jonesy
17 November 2014 11:18:52

Latest Meto outlook


UK Outlook for Monday 1 Dec 2014 to Monday 15 Dec 2014:


At the start of the period the most likely scenario is for a continuation of unsettled weather to affect western parts of the UK. Spells of rain are likely further east at times too but the best of the dry weather is expected here. As we head through the first week of December there are signs that rainfall amounts should become nearer normal. There is currently no signal for temperatures to become lower than average but instead stay around normal for many, perhaps slightly above, especially across southern Britain. Of course, a few rather colder spells are likely during any quieter periods of weather, with a chance of overnight mist and fog in places, and patchy frost - this may be more likely across northern areas.


Issued at: 0400 on Mon 17 Nov 2014


 


 http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/u10khsx41#?tab=regionalForecast


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johnr
17 November 2014 12:29:22

I expect what the press are using is the latest version of this:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/5/d/A3_plots-precip-OND_v2.pdf

although I can't find the current one by searching their website.


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Brian Gaze
17 November 2014 13:05:40


I expect what the press are using is the latest version of this:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/5/d/A3_plots-precip-OND_v2.pdf

although I can't find the current one by searching their website.


Originally Posted by: johnr 


Here we go:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/publicsector/contingency-planners


FWIW I think the MetO have really upped their game in the last couple of years. Credit where it's due!


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