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Saint Snow
25 November 2014 10:21:39


 


More like an island at the right-hand side of the atlantic.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Depends which way you look at it...



 



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Solar Cycles
25 November 2014 10:47:55


 


You're going to fit in just nicely


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

kennyboy
25 November 2014 10:53:02

I don't want to be controversial, I think I will anyway, but aren´t we all going a bit crazy at this time of the year? It´s the same every year. Most of us are craving for cold, snow, extreme north-american like weather... and we end up blaming the Atlantic, the big evil originator of all our meteorological frustations. Let's face it guys, Britain is an island in the middle of the Atlantic and we get what we are...As much as I love cold and snow, in Britain they are exceptional phenomena, and they will always be... Having said that, fingers crossed for a real cold and snowy winter lol ;-)

Originally Posted by: Gorgo 


 


All part of the fun, it's what makes our long and often dreary autumn/winters tolerable...in an intolerable way 

Osprey
25 November 2014 11:03:52


HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY TUESDAY NOVEMBER 25TH 2014.


NEXT UPDATE WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 26TH 08:00


 


MY THOUGHTS The pattern this morning remains a very complex one with many factors coming into play over and around the UK which could all shape our weather very differently over the period if one factor overpowered another. As it is the models do vary considerably in detail once we leave this weekend which looks like being benign under a ridge from the East. The general belief next week is that there will be a gentle shift towards a new High from the Atlantic playing a more dominat role in the UK weather over the remainder of the period. The positioning of this will be instrumental in the weather type at the surface with differences in opinion on this shown across the models this morning. If the High makes landfall over Britain which is shown by a number of runs then the net result will be quiet and fine weather for the UK but it could well become cold and foggy with frost widespread. This could be reluctant to shift through the day in the light winds. If, however the High is held to the South as is shown by some other output then the Jet flow will overide the system and flatten the pattern to make for mild Atlantic winds to affect the UK with rain at times chiefly in the North.


There is also some opinion that the High could move East of the UK and allow Low pressure to slip South over or to the East of the UK later bringing a plunge of colder polar air down from the North for a time late in the period. It really is a case of you pays your money and takes your choice on which theory if any proves correct come the time.


It does look increasingly unlikely now that unless the current High pressure over Eastern Europe can gain assistance from a new High pressure centre elsewhere the block over Eastern Europe will probably not deliver anything cold to the UK this time but with plenty of High pressure floating around at our latitude over the next few weeks there is always a chance that these could be drawn to a position more favourable for bringing cold weather to the UK sooner or later albeit home grown anticyclonic cold or from a cold source either from the North or East. As I hinted at yesterday the pattern is far from set at the moment and there remains plenty of interest hemispherically to induce or maintain interest for coldies with I anticipate a cold period likely at some point over the next three to four weeks looking quite likely for the UK perhaps with some snow though that word 'patience' is going to have to take frontstage.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


No evidence on my part, just that a gut feeling I get sometimes for a polar air plunge or an easterly if the continent loses the mild temps


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Stormchaser
25 November 2014 11:17:24

We do seem to have a rough blend of GFS and ECM's Monday output for this mornings runs from both of those models, which produces enough of a Med. trough to bring a mid-latitude block to the UK, but not so much as to bring much of an easterly flow within the next 10 days, let alone a properly cold one.


GFSP has the HP a little further south with slack conditions for the UK.


 


A critical period looks to be around day 6 when we have this sort of setup from GFSP, ECM and GFS:



The Arctic High has linked with the block to our east, and this would lead to a strong high around the Svalbard area if the Atlantic didn't go blasting through and breaking the link.


Unfortunately for those seeking a notable outbreak of cold and/or snowy conditions as soon as possible, all three of the models have that shortwave low doing the damage.


 


ECM proceeds in much the same way as it has done for the past four runs, shifting a deep trough to Scandi/Siberia and hinting at low heights dropping south in the Atlantic, with a ridge building north from the UK in an attempt to split the polar vortex. It could work out nicely, but the day 10 chart is a rather messy affair with lots of shortwaves flying around, and it would perhaps take several bites of the apple to get a desirable outcome.


 


GFS and GFSP are extremely keen on throwing the polar vortex lobe over Canada/Greenland to Scandinavia, this being consistent across their respective 00z and 06z op runs.


GFSP does this more quickly than GFS, but GFS has a more extreme end result. Both of the charts below could really do with higher heights in the Arctic. GFSP appers to be lacking in polar high pressure, but by the end of the run a 1045mb high is approaching the pole and there's also a ridge across Canada, so promising for the outlook going forward. You can sort of see what I mean on the GFS 06z chart that I've posted:


  


That's GFSP on the left and GFS on the right. The former is actually marginal for snow, becoming more favourable by day 16. The latter is cold enough for snow nationwide, though we would be waiting for that shortwave over Iceland to deliver the real goods.


 


Overall, then, the polar vortex really does look to be getting a move on not long into December, but how fast it does so and where exactly it goes remains inconclusive in the model output.


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Russwirral
25 November 2014 11:23:56

 


I think any developments of colder weather we want to see will depend on how the Warm plume exiting Libya interacts with the cold plunge entering Northern Europe.  On the last couple of runs it was progged to engage with the LP over the Med and run east, this in the process draws the cold weather west.  If this interacts in just the right way - it could cause very interesting conditions through poland Germany and UK.


Looking forward to seeing the GEFS.Netweather GFS Image


kmoorman
25 November 2014 12:04:13
Can anyone spot the outlier on the GFS 6Z Ensemble?

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Gusty
25 November 2014 12:09:33

Can anyone spot the outlier on the GFS 6Z Ensemble?

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Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


No Kieron..its too small to see. cool


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kmoorman
25 November 2014 12:16:24


 


No Kieron..its too small to see. cool


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


That's the size Meteociel provided..


Try this link:


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=297.94000244140625&y=174.97999572753906


 


Ah, I see Gandalf has obliged - that's a very cold blast from the East.  Might get a few snow showers on the East Coast. :)


 


 


 


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Surrey John
25 November 2014 12:17:55
I do think the uncertainty is building, if we look other side of North Sea this plot shows the split, nothing really in the middle, its normal or very cold

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Oslo_ens.png 


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Gavin P
25 November 2014 14:51:24

Hey,


Anybody know what the link is for the Parallel GFS at W/Z?


This is the operational;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


Looking for the parallel version of that?


Thx, 


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tallyho_83
25 November 2014 15:13:05
Snowy FI:

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014112506/gfs-2-384.png?6?6 
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tallyho_83
25 November 2014 15:13:49

Easterly winds!??

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014112406/run/cfs-0-630.png?06


Isn't this chart a similar set up:


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1982/Rrea00119820110.gif


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Solar Cycles
25 November 2014 15:16:08

I'm">http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014112506/gfs-2-384.png?6?6

 I'm right in that 10 mile gap which is snowless.

Gavin P
25 November 2014 15:23:12

Here's today's main video update;


The Patterns They Are A Changing...



Think frost and fog next week... For now...


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sizzle
25 November 2014 15:39:34


Here's today's main video update;


The Patterns They Are A Changing...



Think frost and fog next week... For now...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

thanks gav. great vid, finally heading in the right direction, a taste of winter ahead laughing

Tractor Boy
25 November 2014 15:54:13

I sense silly season is upon us. Sat in the office, fading light outside. Eager to see what the 12zs produce before heading home.


Sniffs of an easterly, the odd stunning perturbation, all the banter...bring it on.



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snowman93
25 November 2014 16:39:29


I sense silly season is upon us. Sat in the office, fading light outside. Eager to see what the 12zs produce before heading home.


Sniffs of an easterly, the odd stunning perturbation, all the banter...bring it on.



Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 


make the boss think you are putting in extra hours, good tactic :)

colin46
25 November 2014 16:58:31
I think last winter was the first i can remember where i didn't see a single snowflake throughout the entire season!! What are the chances of that happening again? Surely not!!
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David M Porter
25 November 2014 16:59:31


Here's today's main video update;


The Patterns They Are A Changing...



Think frost and fog next week... For now...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Not before time either Gavin.


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sizzle
25 November 2014 17:00:37

I think last winter was the first i can remember where i didn't see a single snowflake throughout the entire season!! What are the chances of that happening again? Surely not!!

Originally Posted by: colin46 

NOT laughing

Brian Gaze
25 November 2014 17:05:27

12z GFS and GFSP both looking pretty dire today as far as cold weather is concerned! 


 


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sizzle
25 November 2014 17:08:49

god dam is ths a blip or a u turn in the models, have we been dealt a red herring once again, hoping its a blip 12z not playing ball, 12z needs to play catch up.


PS nice to start seeing the actuall pictures of the charts than the stupid links that never work,

Polar Low
25 November 2014 17:15:01

Here Gav on wetter


Just to the right of gfs


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsgfseur.html


 


 


 


 


 


quote=Gavin P;646459]


Hey,


Anybody know what the link is for the Parallel GFS at W/Z?


This is the operational;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


Looking for the parallel version of that?


Thx, 


White Meadows
25 November 2014 17:20:28


god dam is ths a blip or a u turn in the models, have we been dealt a red herring once again, hoping its a blip 12z not playing ball, 12z needs to play catch up.


PS nice to start seeing the actuall pictures of the charts than the stupid links that never work,


Originally Posted by: sizzle 


 


As ever, let's wait to see where it sits in the ensembles. 


I don't think a red herring had ever been dealt, had it?!  one silly pub run is NOT something to build serious hopes on 

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