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Weathermac
16 January 2015 11:40:40
Too many silly posts writing off this cold spell ....as far as I can see nothing from the Beeb or Met office has changed still cold air to the east with milder air and attendant weather fronts moving in stalling against the cold air with sleet /snow potential thru next week .
Solar Cycles
16 January 2015 11:42:34


 


 


Speaking personally, my pessimism (for my locale) is based on more than one GFS run, as well as on other sources (like the MetO forecasts).


I don't know how next week will pan out because - as people rightly point out - weather 'on the ground' will be subject to much change. And I've never mentioned a breakdown.


However, I can say that the heavy snow that was, up until late yesterday, being forecast for NW England/W Mids/Wales for this weekend (you know, like tomorrow and the day after) has massively been downgraded.


Always the bloody downgrade...


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Lol, I was expecting as much anyway though I still think we'll see something tomorrow. It is still an ever evolving picture though due to the messy and complex synoptics involved, it's not over until it's over Saint.

SEMerc
16 January 2015 11:44:46


 


I understand that Martin, all I'm saying is H Willets last night was showing the set up that this mornings UKMO is?


That hasn't changed.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Didn't see Carol Kirkwood this morning, although she normally shows quite good uppers.

Brian Gaze
16 January 2015 11:49:26

The MetO update this afternoon should be interesting because we'll get an insight into the latest MOGREPS and ECM ENS. I've had a quick skip through the individual GEFS6z perturbations for the second half of next week and I think they are easing off on the cold spell through that period.


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Saint Snow
16 January 2015 11:50:23

I think they are easing off on the cold spell through that period.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


 


Ssshhh! You're not allowed to say that!


 




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Essan
16 January 2015 11:52:29


However, I can say that the heavy snow that was, up until late yesterday, being forecast for NW England/W Mids/Wales for this weekend (you know, like tomorrow and the day after) has massively been downgraded.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



I must have missed that.  The only area I thought was at risk of heavy snow this weekend was the Central and East Highlands?     Elsewhere, just wintry showers with snow over hills at times.

The first 'big' event was the 'slider' mid week - which may or may not still be on.


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Solar Cycles
16 January 2015 11:52:49


The MetO update this afternoon should be interesting because we'll get an insight into the latest MOGREPS and ECM ENS. I've had a quick skip through the individual GEFS6z perturbations for the second half of next week and I think they are easing off on the cold spell through that period.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Luckily the MetO don't use them, but unfortunately I've a feeling that their data will concur with the above.

Gooner
16 January 2015 11:54:03


 


Didn't see Carol Kirkwood this morning, although she normally shows quite good uppers.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Doesn't she just


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Maunder Minimum
16 January 2015 12:04:08


 


Didn't see Carol Kirkwood this morning, although she normally shows quite good uppers.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



New world order coming.
nsrobins
16 January 2015 12:08:40

A changing, marginal set-up requires a bit of common sense which hinges on not taking anything at face vale - and that includes broadcast graphics, 'expert' charts, ppn rates and type and, above all, one OP run against another.
A case in mind is Sunday's 'event' is only 24 hours old from first appearing and has now already been dissected, hyped, dissolved and discounted in equal measure.
Yes at present some SE areas are at risk of sleet/snow but that could change again and the same goes for Tues/Weds when we could all see something or the slider could retire away to the SW without impacting us at all. Frustrating yes I totally understand, but personally I won't get too bothered one way or the other.


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colin46
16 January 2015 12:09:38


 


Doesn't she just


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


shine on you crazy diamond
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Saint Snow
16 January 2015 12:10:28




I must have missed that.  The only area I thought was at risk of heavy snow this weekend was the Central and East Highlands?     Elsewhere, just wintry showers with snow over hills at times.

The first 'big' event was the 'slider' mid week - which may or may not still be on.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


You don't follow Gooner's 'Wonderful Weatheronline Weather Type Maps' then?


Seriously, several GFS runs early/mid this week showed periods of heavy snow, along with some stunning 'Snow Accumulation' maps for the areas I've mentioned, for this weekend.


Now they don't, and by doing so have come into line with other models that never showed such a snowfest.


I'd re-post a selection, but I can't be arsed.


 



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Russwirral
16 January 2015 12:15:54

Is it me or has the model flipped today? 06z?? - was due to be easterly or north easterly next week has turned out to be SW wind?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn961.gif

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


That really has turned into a Monster HP over the atlantic.  Had we not been heading into a cold spell, all eyes would be on where that would be heading.


 


Wouldnt be surprised if that HP comes into play at some point down the line.


KevBrads1
16 January 2015 12:26:11
Here we go again, the models send us around and around on another ruddy Benny Hill chase!
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Jive Buddy
16 January 2015 12:28:03

Here we go again, the models send us around and around on another ruddy Benny Hill chase!

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I'm going to have that tune running around my head now, everytime I look at the models!!!


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Gooner
16 January 2015 12:45:15

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015011606/gensnh-13-0-384.png


J F F of course


Look at the cold across the water


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Sevendust
16 January 2015 12:54:53

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=carol+kirkwood&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=3E88211653D19AA295CA499F1A306B5F4FF37689&selectedIndex=6


The above would suggest a SSW event


Meanwhile I concur with Neil's comments


Examining the minute detail of each run doesn't achieve a great deal as output beyond a couple of days may give you an overall feel of what may be coming but not critical detail.....which in this situation can mean a fine line between snow,  marginal slop or rain.


Sunday is a case in point and I doubt if we'll have any clue until it actually starts 

Solar Cycles
16 January 2015 12:59:55


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015011606/gensnh-13-0-384.png


J F F of course


Look at the cold across the water


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Come on Gooner, you know full well you should be looking South at those mild uppers.😜

White Meadows
16 January 2015 13:29:17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015011606/gensnh-13-0-384.png


J F F of course


Look at the cold across the water


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


….Cue the comments about explosive cyclogenesis, turbo-jet streams and a zonal February & March 

Gooner
16 January 2015 13:37:47


 


 


….Cue the comments about explosive cyclogenesis, turbo-jet streams and a zonal February & March 


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


It is of course possible to have the cold on both sides ( see Gavs video )


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gavin P
16 January 2015 13:40:38

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


JMA Friday + Latest On Next Week's Snow Risk;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


I think tomorrow's week ahead forecast is going to be a massive headache.


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The Beast from the East
16 January 2015 13:46:22


The MetO update this afternoon should be interesting because we'll get an insight into the latest MOGREPS and ECM ENS. I've had a quick skip through the individual GEFS6z perturbations for the second half of next week and I think they are easing off on the cold spell through that period.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, most back up the op and control. I know its not what we want to hear but the writing is on the wall and we have to stand up and take it like men. This is looking like a 5-7 cold snap and then back to normal


 


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nickl
16 January 2015 13:51:30

looks to me that it stays cold for the forseeable. the ec32 mean was notable for not inroducing euro high anomolys to our south. 


i think the envelope stays with the disrupting troughs but whether thats to our west, east or across us ????


could be a long month coming up on the forums !!!


 

Ally Pally Snowman
16 January 2015 13:57:17


 


Yes, most back up the op and control. I know its not what we want to hear but the writing is on the wall and we have to stand up and take it like men. This is looking like a 5-7 cold snap and then back to normal


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Latest Met Office forecast has it staying cold or very cold to after next weekend 10 days at least. 


 


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David M Porter
16 January 2015 14:26:21

Can we keep posts in here on topic and of a sensible nature please. If anyone is going to make predictions on how long the cold spell is going to last, please provide some reference to the model output rather than making sweeping statements that have little or no evidence to back them up.


Thank you.


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