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Charmhills
25 June 2015 18:34:28

https://twitter.com/MattHugo81


MVH highlights uncertainty.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Quantum
25 June 2015 18:38:19

I can't believe I am back to January levels of obsessive model watching. 


BTW I checked the ECM0Z wundermap (I know itl be redundant soon) and it had a 2m temp in the south on the hottest day (first warm shot only unfortunately) between 32C and 36C so pretty impressive!


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Arcus
25 June 2015 18:40:45
And ECM 12z shows the difference with the GFS 12z of the angle of attack with the plume, purely down to the ECM developing that daughter low that spins under the mid Atlantic low more than the GFS. A more developed and more southerly tracking low has the effect of drawing the parent low SW into a better position for the heat pump to initiate. More runs needed, as ever...
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Charmhills
25 June 2015 18:43:16



Feeling hot hot hot....................... from the ECM 12z so far.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Muckyme
25 June 2015 18:48:45




Feeling hot hot hot....................... from the ECM 12z so far.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


 


Yes more of a direct hit from the plume than a glancing blow a la GFS, touch and go how far East/West this plume event eventually lands.


 


Brian Gaze
25 June 2015 18:55:05


 


yep, somewhere in the vicinity of Brogdale. These maps always undercook the max by a couple of degrees...


Originally Posted by: TimS 


They do for the given synoptics. It's a known problem with GFS. However, the synoptics shown (at least anecdotally) are more often than not at the extreme end of the possible outcomes. 


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Charmhills
25 June 2015 18:55:09

ECM fi turns it less hot but still very warm and humid with a risk of storms for Central and Eastern areas.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Hungry Tiger
25 June 2015 20:06:27

A huge amount of hype and a lot of excitement. I've had a lot of mates in the pub asking me about this and no way am I confirming anything until Sunday or Monday.


We've been robbed of two decent warm spells and I've still not forgotten when we were robbed of what looked like an impressive cold spell two winters ago.


It's too far ahead to be certain - yet. :-)


 


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Chunky Pea
25 June 2015 20:17:37

ECM 12z showing some the potential for some severe thundery weather, initially up through the Irish Sea into Norn Iron and W Scuutland on the 1st, then further east on the 2nd. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Quantum
25 June 2015 20:22:13

ECM12Z is pretty mediocre, max 2m temp reached was 32C at <180hr. 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
25 June 2015 20:26:54


 


 


that a 37c isotherm running through Kent?


Originally Posted by: eddied 


Yes, and its right over Justin's House (and Im not talking about Mr Tumble).


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
25 June 2015 20:54:21


ECM fi turns it less hot but still very warm and humid with a risk of storms for Central and Eastern areas.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Excellent, one thing missing from here in recent years is a bloody good thunderstorm


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
25 June 2015 20:59:17

Well the 12Z GFS shunts everything further east a bit quicker but it does represent the first time I've seen the 23C isotherm at 850mb over the UK!


Blink and you'll miss it:


 


 



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gooner
25 June 2015 22:22:56

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn14417.gif


Hot start to July for quite a few


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Crepuscular Ray
25 June 2015 22:40:11


Well that's something you don't see everyday.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


What 19 in Edinburgh? It's quite common Quantum 😁


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Matty H
25 June 2015 22:43:21

18z GFS continues the theme of a more blink and you'll miss it hot spell. Crap in my opinion, but then my hot spell standards are still very much entrenched in 2003. 


More runs required, but I'm sensing a watering down and shunting eastward, as alluded to this morning. 


Edit: I'm not writing anything off. Just commenting on individual runs. 


Gooner
25 June 2015 23:04:23

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16817.gif


Cooler on Thursday after a hot Wednesday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.gif


Much warmer on Friday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.gif


Saturday still in the very warm category


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.gif


And Sunday still a v warm day


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
25 June 2015 23:05:59


18z GFS continues the theme of a more blink and you'll miss it hot spell. Crap in my opinion, but then my hot spell standards are still very much entrenched in 2003. 


More runs required, but I'm sensing a watering down and shunting eastward, as alluded to this morning. 


Edit: I'm not writing anything off. Just commenting on individual runs. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


yes 18Z shoves it all east in double quick time. You'd have to factor that outcome purely on probabilities. It will still get warm but nothing too special I think. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whether Idle
26 June 2015 05:04:33


 


yes 18Z shoves it all east in double quick time. You'd have to factor that outcome purely on probabilities. It will still get warm but nothing too special I think. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Hmmm. Just to join in with the individual run theme (though the 0z are always worth a note), we can see the 15c upper thermal never leaves the east coast even by 04 July, when it spreads back west.  Most of England remains under 10c + uppers throughout.



It will be interesting to see what the reactions are to run to run variation.  As we all will remember from winter (non) events, what is important is ensemble watching in these situations.  My current take is that it will get hot, stay so in the far east, and then get hotter again for most after a relative cool down in the middle section timewise.  So I happen to think the current 0z output is telling the general story well, but I guess the margins for error are so tiny that a shift 200 miles east of the whole plume could leave us cooler and moister!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 06:20:51

GFS 0z Max temps from 28th June - 5th July


26c 26c 29c 32c 36c 28c 33c 28c


 


For yesterday GFS had a max of 24c and Gravesned ended up at 26c. So you can probably add a couple of degrees to these as well very impressive.


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
26 June 2015 06:22:53

00Z GFS run is hottest yet in terms of 850s. Close to 24C at the peak.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Matty H
26 June 2015 06:55:15

ECM is a blink and you'll miss it affair. I'd prefer the GFS please. Cheers. 


Matty H
26 June 2015 06:58:08

NAVGEM is ridiculous 


Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 06:58:17

With 850s this high 22c in the South records could go next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


 


It does does get blasted away a few days later but still very warm for the South.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 07:00:02


NAVGEM is ridiculous 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Hottest UK chart in history! Who's up for 42c. It has 27c 850s for the East!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1682.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

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