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David M Porter
12 January 2016 17:24:42

A real stand-off between GFS/ECM and UKMO at the moment. Which will be proved nearest the mark?


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Lenzie, Glasgow

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sriram
12 January 2016 17:26:25
Hope the good old met office comes off
That look a great chart with loads of northern blocking , a southerly tracking low and the Atlantic cut off for good
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SJV
12 January 2016 17:26:29


A real stand-off between GFS/ECM and UKMO at the moment. Which will be proved nearest the mark?


Normal rules.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We can only hope it's the UKMO!


Thanks David for presiding over this; these threads have been an excellent read throughout with no spam or clutter to speak of 


ECM next up 

Nordic Snowman
12 January 2016 17:28:49

I admit I am shocked with UKMO this evening as I really did expect a U-turn. ECM will now be duly awaited by many, I'm sure of that.


As Rob K said in the last thread (in response to Duane), I am quite happy with the UKMO 144 myself. A rare occasion where we are all happy


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Gooner
12 January 2016 17:29:27


 


We can only hope it's the UKMO!


Thanks David for presiding over this; these threads have been an excellent read throughout with no spam or clutter to speak of 


ECM next up 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Couldn't agree more


 


In all the time I have been on here I can't remember models disagreeing for this length of time . Maybe, just maybe we will get an outcome that favours the cold


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Whiteout
12 January 2016 17:29:45

Fergie tweeting that UKMO is a variation on a theme, eventual progression from the W.


 


Eventual to me says it could be a snowy progression at least 


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Rob K
12 January 2016 17:32:15
Gooner was talking about a block to the NE in the later stretches of the GFS but really that high is centred pretty well due east of the UK... about 2,500 miles east!
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
12 January 2016 17:32:40

All I can say is, that the today's GFS versus UKMO for 120 and 144 look to showing disagreement of forecast for Sunday and Monday- the BIG Picture who get's this modelled correctly is will get confidence Model Watching.


I like the UKMO keeping us dry cold with frost early and late for Both Sunday and Monday.


GFS FI beyond this Saturday is really a lot different to UKMO but who will get it right.


Ahem, do us like a wintry Breakdown rain with sleet and snow or just crisp winter sunshine and winter frost under a Arctic Greenland High.


What happens at that point and what follows is all to play for, at 144 UKMO has NWBiscay Low Pressure want to track east that may affect France withCold NE flow, mild in it's South and SW SE.


 


By Tomorrow's GFS and UKMO 12z run this should be sorted I hope.


If the PV get stuck in NW Atlantic with Greenland East SE High to UK high at the 120-144 mark, and the De-accelerate PV Low's GFS want to make them not as UKMO keep it West and NW of North Atlantic at Sunday Monday, GFS has three Low setup affecting our UK Greenland North Atlantic High.


I noted also that the NNW flow on Monday still very close to Eastern side of us.


Useful and debateable setup ahem...


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gooner
12 January 2016 17:35:33

Gooner was talking about a block to the NE in the later stretches of the GFS but really that high is centred pretty well due east of the UK... about 2,500 miles east!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


They have to start somewhere Rob .


Its a slow old trip but at the end it could link up



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Arcus
12 January 2016 17:36:12
Is the 120 Fax updated around 11pm?
Ben,
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nsrobins
12 January 2016 17:37:18
The ECM 00Z ENS showed a renewed cold cluster post +144 so it wouldn't surprise me if the op this evening went for it lol
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Zubzero
12 January 2016 17:37:40


Fergie tweeting that UKMO is a variation on a theme, eventual progression from the W.


 


Eventual to me says it could be a snowy progression at least 


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Yep usually the case when blocking/cold has set in around the UK/to the East and the Atlantic is trying to push back in.


Id expect more swings and roundabouts post 72/96 in the coming few day's from all models until the High buckles and were back to endless zonality till the end of time 

Gooner
12 January 2016 17:38:52

Is the 120 Fax updated around 11pm?

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


or a bit before, be interesting to see how that matches up to the UKMO


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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warrenb
12 January 2016 17:39:04


Fergie tweeting that UKMO is a variation on a theme, eventual progression from the W.


 


Eventual to me says it could be a snowy progression at least 


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


 


Really, I see no tweets from him saying this.


David M Porter
12 January 2016 17:42:46


 


We can only hope it's the UKMO!


Thanks David for presiding over this; these threads have been an excellent read throughout with no spam or clutter to speak of 


ECM next up 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Thanks Steve.


You are 100% right with what you say about the quality of the model threads recently. I think it speaks volumes about TWO members generally that the normal high quality of debate has been maintained over the past month or so, even in the face of the (from the point of view of cold fans) dismal start to winter we've endured. I have seen times in past winters with very similar weather to recently when the model thread nearly turned into a farce which on some occasions had to be locked early. I think it's to everyone's credit that this hasn't happened recently, and long may that continue.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
12 January 2016 17:45:56


 


Yep usually the case when blocking/cold has set in around the UK/to the East and the Atlantic is trying to push back in.


Id expect more swings and roundabouts post 72/96 in the coming few day's from all models until the High buckles and were back to endless zonality till the end of time 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


 


Nay Not this early,  you should not make this a possibility or a Certainty, we could get Cold and wintry weather in early February as well, so writing of winter 2015/16 next week is in nobody's thinking at the moment.


πŸ˜†πŸ˜.Still more together with next 7 days to play for be it frosty or snowy!.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge.Β 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
warrenb
12 January 2016 18:00:45
Follow both on twitter and have seen the Matt Hugo tweet but not the fergie one.
Snow Hoper
12 January 2016 18:01:56

I'm fully expecting ECM to continue what's it's been showing for the last few runs just to shed some more darkness on things 


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Brian Gaze
12 January 2016 18:05:32

At a glance GEFS12z look a bit colder.



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Bertwhistle
12 January 2016 18:12:15

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=104


 


So this now looks OK until the 18th to me. Weekend could be pleasantly cold. Go for a walk.


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Brian Gaze
12 January 2016 18:23:14

ECM120 is out here:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/ecm/120_mslp500.png?cb=92


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Bertwhistle
12 January 2016 18:25:44


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/ecm/144_mslp850.png?cb=407


Here's the 850s- that thinning upper warm 'sector' reflects GFS well.


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Whether Idle
12 January 2016 18:29:32

Here is the French Arpege Model at t96:



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doctormog
12 January 2016 18:31:27

Another different evolution on the ECM 12z run. I wouldn't fancy calling next week's ο“Άweather one way or the other

http://meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016011212/ECH1-144.GIF


It certainly has been a fascinating, if somewhat confusing, week or so of model watching.


Whiteout
12 January 2016 18:32:00

Great ECM T+144 chart, Monday looking increasingly 'wintry' 


As far as Matt Hugo goes, his view changes on each GFS run 


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