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Quantum
15 January 2016 16:52:15


 


 


Think its a higher res model than the big three?? but dont know its verification stats at all 


Originally Posted by: molly40 


How I rank high res models:


WRF NMM


ARPEGE/AROME


DWD/ICON


HIRLAM


EURO4


 


However keep in mind the NMM uses GFS data, so it could well be that the ARPEGE is my favourite now.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
15 January 2016 16:54:26

Here are the Arpege 81 to 84 precip type charts:





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Chiltern Blizzard
15 January 2016 16:54:26


 


After a week or more of being the model that holds everything back, it's now quite a lot more progressive than ARPEGE (the new favoured model it appears!) and GEM.  Huge uncertainty still....


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Rob K
15 January 2016 16:58:37
Brian on those Arpege charts do the white dots signify anything or is that just the white shading over heavier rain/snow?
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Brian Gaze
15 January 2016 17:08:07

Brian on those Arpege charts do the white dots signify anything or is that just the white shading over heavier rain/snow?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


They just signify heavier snow. The charts are still in development and I'll be integrating with TWO once the next version of the app is live.


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Rob K
15 January 2016 17:09:24


 


They just signify heavier snow. The charts are still in development and I'll be integrating with TWO once the next version of the app is live.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


So basically all snow.... 


 


Edit... except for Planet Thanet. Sorry JB!


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Whether Idle
15 January 2016 17:13:02

Model chaos!  Just when things couldnt get more wayward they do.  Here is a chart which is a possibilty:


Arpege 114:



With A Wetter for the GEM around the same time:'



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Jive Buddy
15 January 2016 17:19:04


 


So basically all snow.... 


 


Edit... except for Planet Thanet. Sorry JB!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Grrr! ARPEGE is merd! Down with the ARPEGE! 


PS - If the now flavour of the month ARPEGE handles lengthy high pressure systems well, does that make it the new kid on the block?...


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Rob K
15 January 2016 17:22:07


 


 


Grrr! ARPEGE is merd! Down with the ARPEGE! 


PS - If the now flavour of the month ARPEGE handles lengthy high pressure systems well, does that make it the new kid on the block?...


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


 


Actually, if you look at the high-res Arpege charts...


There's a load of rain first



 


 


but then even Thanet gets a decent wedge of snow on the back edge


 



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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soperman
15 January 2016 17:23:23


 


 


After a week or more of being the model that holds everything back, it's now quite a lot more progressive than ARPEGE (the new favoured model it appears!) and GEM.  Huge uncertainty still....


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


 


I always giggle when Meto showing progressive charts illicit ''uncertain'' or ''knifeedge'' or indeed no comment whereas GFS showing progressive charts are normally termed a ''pile of shite'' or ''bin it''


The chart you want to see is always the best one!  

idj20
15 January 2016 17:24:04


 


 


Grrr! ARPEGE is merd! Down with the ARPEGE! 


PS - If the now flavour of the month ARPEGE handles lengthy high pressure systems well, does that make it the new kid on the block?...


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 



Well, the UK music scene is at an all time "low".

Talking about blocks . . . it is a long way off at 240 hours and it's GEM . . . but . . . BANK! Anything to keep the Atlantic conveyor belt at arm's length for as long as possible is welcomed by me.


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soperman
15 January 2016 17:28:41

Just 24 hours ago the Chilterns was the place to enjoy a clear, frosty and sparkling long weekend.


Now we could have snow for 3 days running - I'll believe that when I see it as I for one will not be sucked in by any of the charts for Sunday onwards until 12z tomorrow.


A nice winter's day today. Sunny and cold in the wind with p.m. temp hovering between 4 and 5 degrees.

soperman
15 January 2016 17:31:47




Well, the UK music scene is at an all time "low".

Talking about blocks . . . it is a long way off at 240 hours and it's GEM . . . but . . . BANK! Anything to keep the Atlantic conveyor belt at arm's length for as long as possible is welcomed by me.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


I prefer the GFS 384 chart - nice easterly - but I don't know how to post charts!!

Twister
15 January 2016 17:32:47
Surely everyone in Dumfries would look half an inch thinner with pressure like that, Ian!

I think this cold spell will be very memorable for some parts of the UK with increasing signs of precipitation on the higher res models. Not sure where though!
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Winter 2015/6: Snowfalls: 10 | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 17 (0.5cm)) | Air frosts: 39
Winter 2016/7: Snowfalls: 4 (Jan 12-3, Feb 10-11) | Snowcover: 2 (Jan 13, 2cm, Feb 11, 3-5mm) | Air frosts: 57 (2 in Oct, 10 in Nov, 13 in Dec, 19 in Jan, 6 in Feb, 3 in Mar, 4 in Apr)
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kmoorman
15 January 2016 17:36:02


 


 


Actually, if you look at the high-res Arpege charts...


There's a load of rain first



 


 


but then even Thanet gets a decent wedge of snow on the back edge


 



Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


There may be rain on the ARPEGE then, but just look at Sunday!


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The Beast from the East
15 January 2016 17:40:06

Hilarious. GFS now looks better than UKMO in the short term!


GFS now everyone's friend again


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Charmhills
15 January 2016 17:40:31



GFS deep fi brings the cold back again from the east.


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Gooner
15 January 2016 17:43:32

Key issues into (the nearer-term) medium range are compounded by mismatches between 00z/06z model solutions and imagery. The latter is already looking more amplified in the Atlantic versus output, favouring the slower solutions. This slower progression was always suspected and remains the main caveat set against ongoing deterministic modelling, which continues to show marked swings including run-to-run within the same suites (and even lately between UKMO-GM Operational and Parallel suites). No detailed analysis of current output is really trustworthy into the start of next week... 


 


From IF on NW


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whether Idle
15 January 2016 17:44:08

Another variation on a theme from JMA at 84hours:



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
soperman
15 January 2016 17:44:28


Hilarious. GFS now looks better than UKMO in the short term!


GFS now everyone's friend again


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


But I thought GFS was a pile of sh.....

Quantum
15 January 2016 17:48:35


 


They just signify heavier snow. The charts are still in development and I'll be integrating with TWO once the next version of the app is live.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Is it just me or is the only way to get ARPEGE precip involve splitting up the files into individual time steps. Its so annoying, and I don't envy you trying to integrate them.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
15 January 2016 17:52:32

In a time of such model chaos, the sense of anticipation with the ECM from me is minimal, as we know that at the moment beyond about 60 hours all output is not to be trusted.  I'm loving this FI starting at 60 hours malarchy.


While we wait here's the NAVGEM 114 which then HP drifts over to allow Atlantic in by 180:



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Quantum
15 January 2016 18:01:32

Personally I favor a combination of the ARPEGE and the JMA will be the solution. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
15 January 2016 18:01:41

Rain/Snowfall EURO4 Su 17.01.2016 00 GMT


Rain/Snowfall EURO4 Su 17.01.2016 06 GMT


The wintry mix overnight Saturday


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


soperman
15 January 2016 18:03:07

I am a little surprised that today's supercomputer's nor human intervention cannot model in the impact of a late Northerly running hurricane

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