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Joe Bloggs
28 November 2017 17:51:39

I can sense excitement in here but I’m going to remain hugely cautious.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_168_1.png


Those heights over Europe may not lead to a clean cold evolution and I’m concerned we may remain anticylonic with the cold blast reserved for Iceland. 


Nice charts though 😊



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Gavin D
28 November 2017 17:54:56

40% chance of snow in London later this week also hints at the end of of the mean for something milder as mentioned by the met office


Rob K
28 November 2017 17:55:20

The ensembles look a right old mish mash. Plenty of blowtorch solutions in there as well as a few cold beauties.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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JACKO4EVER
28 November 2017 17:55:56
I'm very cautious ATM, been bitten way too many times. I think we need to look North, but also keep an eye down South at Euro slug heights. Fascinating model watching nonetheless
picturesareme
28 November 2017 17:56:33


40% chance of snow in London later this week also hints at the end of of the mean for something milder as mentioned by the met office



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


You mean 50%???

roger63
28 November 2017 17:59:58

Some similarities with early December 1981 though I think a breakdown to milder this time rather the snow and cold which dug in for most of Decemer 81

Brian Gaze
28 November 2017 18:04:51

GEFS 12z update looks colder mid term than the 6z. 



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Retron
28 November 2017 18:10:20


GEFS 12z update looks colder mid term than the 6z.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It's ironic that we have a -10C member for once (and arguably a second one too), just as the long-term prospects have taken a marked surge upwards. Nonetheless, as you say in the medium term it's not looking especially warm.


(Thanks for adding the 30-year mean btw, it really helps IMO to see at a glance just how cold (or not) the runs actually are. )


Leysdown, north Kent
moomin75
28 November 2017 18:13:56


GEFS 12z update looks colder mid term than the 6z. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I thought that too Brian. But There are one or two insane blow torch runs in there too. But one signal that is absent from these ensembles is the Zonal Sine wave which can only be promising.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Joe Bloggs
28 November 2017 18:28:30

ECM so far 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_120_1.png


This is about as far as we can safely look at present.


Will the high ridge to our NW? Yes.


Will there be a Greenland High? Almost certainly yes.


Will the high retrogress NW enough to sufficiently allow an Arctic airstream? Possibly not. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Maunder Minimum
28 November 2017 18:32:51


ECM so far 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_120_1.png


This is about as far as we can safely look at present.


Will the high ridge to our NW? Yes.


Will there be a Greenland High? Almost certainly yes.


Will the high retrogress NW enough to sufficiently allow an Arctic airstream? Possibly not. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Out to 144 now:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=144&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


Not as good as GFS at the same point, but not that far off either. So could go either way from there.


And at 168, ECM decides to join the party. Yippee! Little point looking further than that.


New world order coming.
Polar Low
28 November 2017 18:38:23
Ally Pally Snowman
28 November 2017 18:38:50

Ecm 168 looks absolutely stunning!


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
28 November 2017 18:39:50


gm thus far stubborn heights to the south


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=174&mode=0&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Indeed but it is a heck of a lot better than the previous run!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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David M Porter
28 November 2017 18:40:33


 


Out to 144 now:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=144&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


Not as good as GFS at the same point, but not that far off either. So could go either way from there.


And at 168, ECM decides to join the party. Yippee! Little point looking further than that.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Indeed- this looks at least a bit more promising that the ECM 00z run did:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=168&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


 


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Polar Low
28 November 2017 18:41:59

Indeed slowly catch a monkey


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=204&mode=0&carte=1


 



 


Indeed but it is a heck of a lot better than the previous run!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Brian Gaze
28 November 2017 18:44:47

Mixed GEM 12z. Halfway house really. 



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Rob K
28 November 2017 18:47:43

ECM also looks like collapsing the high over the UK after a short cold blast, as low pressure cuts through via Iceland.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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SEMerc
28 November 2017 18:52:19


ECM also looks like collapsing the high over the UK after a short cold blast, as low pressure cuts through via Iceland.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yep, it looks all over at T+216


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0

Maunder Minimum
28 November 2017 18:58:27


 


Yep, it looks all over at T+216


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


But pointless looking at it, since at that range it will never verify. Witness the comparison posted earlier between ECM t+240 for today and the actual synoptics today - nothing like each other.


New world order coming.
Polar Low
28 November 2017 18:59:51

The japs you get the feeling many more runs required


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1&nh=1


 


 

Brian Gaze
28 November 2017 19:01:16

Let's be honest it could be far worse. If this is correct 850s are over 20C above average in Greenland right now. 



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Polar Low
28 November 2017 19:09:41

FWIW 192 214 ecm were pretty cold charts for eastern districts



Ally Pally Snowman
28 November 2017 19:17:57


 


Yes disappointing end but huge improvement from this morning's effort. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

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