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Quantum
09 January 2015 15:28:23

It seems that there is now some more clarity on the cold spell, it seems that the most probable type of cold spell is a polar NWerly with brief periods of atlantic moderation. 



Figure 1: EPS ensemble types using diurnal vs airmass variation method.



Figure 2: GEFS6Z Clusters from the weatheronline at 228hr



Figure 3: My personal ensemble weighted snow probability using my own methodology on the nature of the lower atmosphere.


 


 


Above are some figures to help make my point. There are a lot of 'warm' blocked EPS runs (fig1), and this matches very well with the GEFS and CMC ensembles (see fig 2 as example). From about the 14th we will start to undergo a transition from zonality to more blocked (although its probably more accurate to say 'less zonal') conditions, although in reality this will only serve to change our airmass type from predominately rPm to Pm. The brief bouts of Tm are still expected to continue though, perhaps at a somewhat lesser frequency, essentially all we are doing is making the cold sectors longer and colder, and the warm sectors briefer and less significant.


With this being said the NW is primed for some excellent conditions (in terms of cold and snow), indeed I expect by the end of January parts of the NW including N ireland and SW scotland in particular will see above average snow amounts (though not necessarily below average temperatures when tempered with the milder earlier part of the month) contrasting with the SE which I expect will have less snow than average. 


Figure 3 demonstrates this well, it is for 192hr but this specific is largely arbitrary. This distribution of snow probability will become commonplace I suspect, note the areas in purple - you will do very well. And yes there is colour in the SE, because occasionally weather systems will move into cold air and give localised snow perhaps similar to the boxing day Midlands snow event - though please don't take that to mean I am forecasting those sorts of amounts!


A few notes on differences between the GEFS, EPS, and GEMS:


1) As noted in the clusters the GEFS has more significant periods of moderation than the EPS or GEMS. These periods of moderation could vary from full blown mT warm sectors to atlantic waves from iceland and everything in between, though the former I suspect will be relatively rare. Note that the clustors are going for about a 20% chance of a UK based high, and so is the ECMOP, I haven't ruled this out, but I see the support decreasing in general, just as I see the support decreasing for an Easterly based cold spell. I would rather intepret cluster 3 as one of these periods of moderation.


2) Zonality returning is at probability of about 25% for all three suites, though less favoured on the EPS than the other two.


3) GEMS is showing more significant cyclosis than the GEFS (I can't comment on the EPS I don't have that sort of detail), the result is still some sympathy towards an easterly based cold spell, but far less moderation if we have the more likely Pm based cold spell. The result of this is snowier and colder for the NW but perhaps somewhat ironically less snowy for the SE (the periods of moderation also make frontal snow more likely).


To summarise with a scematic for the end of the month, but more especially for approx 15th-22nd period.



Once again apologies for the overly long post.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
09 January 2015 15:33:43

The models keep hinting at a Christmas Day 2004 setup eventually, but it seems so hard to get to!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pi...2004/Rrea00120041225.gif

This brought heavy snow for NW parts. It toppled, but goes to show even topplers can bring the goods for some.

Originally Posted by: AlvinMeister 


 


Not just the NW. I remember driving back from my parents in north Devon late on Christmas Day. Above about 200 metres on Exmoor there was snow and it was pretty treacherous on the steep and bendy roads!


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Saint Snow
09 January 2015 15:47:03


< snip > 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Thanks for another great & informative post, Q   (never a need to apologise for the lengthy post)



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Cumbrian Snowman
09 January 2015 15:58:51

Its 1510hrs and its 5.4c here in Brampton. North Cumbria

Does that last chart say I should be 13c by 1800hrs !!

Appears unlikley at the moment

Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 


 


Perhaps it may - now 10.1c from 5.4c -  very rapid rise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Solar Cycles
09 January 2015 16:01:09

Don't apologise Q, that's an excellent summary.

Sevendust
09 January 2015 16:10:44


 Not just the NW. I remember driving back from my parents in north Devon late on Christmas Day. Above about 200 metres on Exmoor there was snow and it was pretty treacherous on the steep and bendy roads!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


It ended up a total non-event in Essex and I recall Vince being very angry because the local forecast for his area (Aylesbury) was woeful


Meanwhile the feature projected for next Thursday is "interesting"


Great summary James, btw

JACKO4EVER
09 January 2015 16:15:32
Brilliant effort Q, thanks for sharing and taking the time to compose. The dreaded cool or even at times cold zonality- the harbinger of doom for lowland England for many a winter past.
Polar Low
09 January 2015 16:18:55

Thanks Q also top class even if your only 20 (luckybugger)


 

Sevendust
09 January 2015 16:26:42


Thanks Q also top class even if your only 20 (luckybugger)


 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Reminds me of Steve Murr back in the day. Still not sure why Q's age is relevant ;)

kmoorman
09 January 2015 16:30:25
Is the feature near the Azores a low pressure within a High pressure?

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0 

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Maunder Minimum
09 January 2015 16:34:11

Is the feature near the Azores a low pressure within a High pressure?

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0

Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


Must be a typo - should read 1035, not 1025 I guess.


Does look odd though - 1035, then 1030 then 1025 when surely the pressure gradiant should be rising.


Whatever, I wish the damn Azores HP cell would implode!


New world order coming.
Rob K
09 January 2015 16:38:03


 


Must be a typo - should read 1035, not 1025 I guess.


Does look odd though - 1035, then 1030 then 1025 when surely the pressure gradiant should be rising.


Whatever, I wish the damn Azores HP cell would implode!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


No, look at the heights - it is indeed a closed depression. Seen here too: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1861.gif

And on the cloud chart: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1863.gif


 


Very intense rainfall too: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1864.gif

Never seen anything quite like it! Model error?


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Rob K
09 January 2015 16:40:47

It begins as this little trough that then heads straight through the middle of the Azores High! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1681.gif


 


Whatever it is, it is more exciting than anything in the second half of that run! 


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kmoorman
09 January 2015 16:52:20


It begins as this little trough that then heads straight through the middle of the Azores High! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1681.gif


 


Whatever it is, it is more exciting than anything in the second half of that run! 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Indeed.   Shame it can't destroy that bl**dy High Pressure.


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Brian Gaze
09 January 2015 17:14:37

GFS seems to be putting its feet up before retirement on Wednesday. On the other hand the GFSP is really ramping Thursday's storm up:



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ARTzeman
09 January 2015 17:19:22

The 50 mph is very strong for a hillcrest.. 80 km/h I do believe...






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Andy Woodcock
09 January 2015 17:22:05

Brilliant effort Q, thanks for sharing and taking the time to compose. The dreaded cool or even at times cold zonality- the harbinger of doom for lowland England for many a winter past.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Dont worry cold zonality is usually overplayed in the north as well just bringing so few wintry showers with lying snow confined to 300meters plus.


i can count on one hand spells of cold zonality in the last 30 years that have actually resulted in noticeable snow in my location and altitude, I can not see the next week or two bringing widespread wintry weather even up here.


Andy


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
09 January 2015 17:28:33

What a Winter we are getting.


The Cold Waves last one to two days followed by An Azores Ridge and that tends to Bring up the Next WSW Flow with less cold but with wind and R A I N.


It still looks set to bring Coldish Nights and Eves/ AM's but long duration Icy and Snow Cover is more for the Scotland N Ireland and Wales to N England and seeing 00z and 12z GFS run really this Winte is not bad and not Very wet but looks windy with some Wintry Sleet and Snow plus Thunder and Hail Showers for those in West NW and in the Central to N and NW UK as cold Westerly will bring that to middle and high levels but some lower at Surface Ground the more NW and North in UK.


The soon UKMO 12z is likely to follow GFS 12z and I will be checking the 528 dam line on Bracka Faxes and see the Trofs and Cold Fronts and Wrap around Low's Isobars intensity and pressure locations/ Depth that affects Where cold 850's of -4 to -6 will go.


 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Solar Cycles
09 January 2015 17:35:14


 


Dont worry cold zonality is usually overplayed in the north as well just bringing so few wintry showers with lying snow confined to 300meters plus.


i can count on one hand spells of cold zonality in the last 30 years that have actually resulted in noticeable snow in my location and altitude, I can not see the next week or two bringing widespread wintry weather even up here.


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

unfortunately your right as only January 1984 broke the mould and delivered over two weeks of lying snow around these parts.

JACKO4EVER
09 January 2015 17:56:41


 


Dont worry cold zonality is usually overplayed in the north as well just bringing so few wintry showers with lying snow confined to 300meters plus.


i can count on one hand spells of cold zonality in the last 30 years that have actually resulted in noticeable snow in my location and altitude, I can not see the next week or two bringing widespread wintry weather even up here.


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


twas ever thus Andy, but I do remember a spell in the mid 1970's??? that produced several overnight snowfalls around my area that came from NW winds. It was strange to see the snow melt in the day only to be replaced overnight. I can't remember what year it was, perhaps KevBrads or other members can help with the year? From what I remember, the snow never made it South of Cambridge though up north it was a completely different story. 

KevBrads1
09 January 2015 18:11:01
I mentioned this yesterday but it is a set-up that can bring surprise snowfalls that catches people out.
Mid March 1989, day before Burns Day storm of 90 (infact there were three surprise snowfalls within a fortnight in that period across some parts), New Year's Eve 1993, early January 1994, early January 1998, Christmas Eve 1999, off the top of my head.

It may not be a widespread snow set-up but IMO, it's a surprise snowfall set-up.
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
09 January 2015 18:12:25

The 12z UKMO is Notably Snowy Sleety, Very Windy North Atlantic and UK Northwest and N Europe bar the Central to SE where it is not that cold and Wintry!.


 


Fairly well Below Average January day 10-17 period coming up that means at Monday Night onwards Then from next Tuesday Wednesday right through to the Saturday 17th included all days Well below day and night Temps High Wind Chills and chances of Heavy Wintry Showers for much of the UK with Thursday to Sarurday getting near or well below freezing across NW and North Europe, Large PV Lows with our Polar Arctic Vortex bring this Low P areas North and NE Atlantic N Sea and Svalbard to Norwegian Sea SW and our Arctic Sea Northeast of us affected by Low P Vortex and Very cold airmass indeed.


Good update 12z UKMO - After a Mild AM Monday it Arrives with West and WNW Arctic Canada North America NE USA imported Cold Phase ahem yes please.


 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
squish
09 January 2015 18:13:49
Great GEM 12z for cold weather fans

ending with this at+240

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif 
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Snowedin3
09 January 2015 18:21:02
More of the same this evening, Fi pattern is impossible to forecast atm, I think we will see some cold weather and snow eventually
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kmoorman
09 January 2015 18:40:26

More of the same this evening, Fi pattern is impossible to forecast atm, I think we will see some cold weather and snow eventually

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 


 


I know this is rather IMBY, but I do regularly check my 'local' ensemble, but this is output has the lowest snow percentages I've seen in some time.  Disappointing (for Sussex) .


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=297&y=178


 


 


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