That below average temperature prediction close to NI and the Scots is probably based on the negative SSTs upwind to the west.

Meaning more cold?

SST's??

Those Met office charts seem to indicate more of a NW polar maritime airflow. Good for Scotland but the kind of setup that is often cold but not cold enough for proper snow. Maybe frosty periods as high pressure rolls in off the Atlantic bringing NW winds.

Yes I agree. The height and 850 temp anomaly charts suggest similar. Have the Met actually suggested a colder than average winter in their discussion output? Think some people are in danger of putting the cart before the horse.

Ive just posted something that aligns to the original post in the winter forecast thread.  Im not going to post it twice.  I also cant link to the post either.

simon keeling seems to be on track he stated on seasonal outlook dry start to october then mid month turning unsettled and november wet and stormy [ a write off ]

Gavin P - What do you make of this? This is from Jamstec: Predication Sept/Oct/Nov - Milder than average autumn all over Europe except the UK!!!! 

December, January and February  - Most of Northern and Western Europe at or Below average!?

Load of tosh

And this ?? - It's similar but not showing as colder' as the other one!!

They are confirming anything Tally , mean nothing this far out .

 Ties in well with this:

I saw a Sky News forecast today that showed snow showers into the North and temps in single figures for next week , where the hell have they got that from???

Unless they can find some serious retrogression they may have trouble getting that to verify

United Kingdom regional outlook for days 30 to 150

Sorry - I know it's only a fun tool - but a weather outlook for 150 days ahead made me chuckle.

Wonder   if 10c -11c will be average.....

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/britain-facing-snow-within-two-weeks-as-arctic-blast-swoops-in-from-east/ar-AAfh9Q1?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=iehp

paper talk,

The express not wanting to be out done have gone for four months worth. The usual suspect being quoted.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/611100/Winter-2015-Heavy-Snow-record-cold-weather-forecast-UK

Have had loads of people asking me about this tonight, LOL!

THE EXPRESS paper are MELTS  trying to MUG us off,   everyone know if such serve weather like that will likely to happen you will hear it first hand on here on TWO by MR BRIAN,  and no dout GAVIN P will alert us on his TWITTER page or a special forecast

just a BIG SHOUT OUT to TERRY SCHOLEY  thanks for your latest winter thoughts very detailed and a interesting read about the EL NINO still time for change cant get enough of your forecast always looking forward to your next, thanks terry and thanks for sharing this on your twitter page gavin

Just as a stopped watch is right twice a day, the Express are bound to be right in at least one of their mad forecasts - let's hope this is the random time the actual weather coincides with the predictions made by the Express.