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Matty H
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03 July 2015 00:09:24

Usual rules. 


Sevendust
03 July 2015 06:42:36

GFS ensembles look a bit better today. Warmer longer term and ostensibly dry(for London)

Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2015 06:52:29

After a 2 day cooler more unsettled blip ECM settles things down by next Friday.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


 


Then the heat arrives again high 20s for the South.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2015 06:56:51


GFS ensembles look a bit better today. Warmer longer term and ostensibly dry(for London)


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Yes you can see the uncertainty after the 8th but many go warm afterwards if not hot. Similar to the ECM Op


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2015 07:03:12

ECM ends on a very warm if not hot note for the South a very good run . Looking back there is barely a 1 day blip for the south. BANK!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


 


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Stormchaser
03 July 2015 08:11:32
Those northerlies can never be relied upon, they always end up shifting east so that we miss out on the sn... Oh wait ;)

Obviously this point only stands if the GFS op is just a bit behind on things, as its gone down last nights ECM op road. Based on GEFS it seems many are more like this mornings ECM 00z which spares the SW from the unseasonably cool air pretty much entirely 🙂
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GIBBY
03 July 2015 08:19:18

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 08:00 ON FRIDAY JULY 3RD 2015.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION A ridge of High pressure across the UK will move away NE as a thundery trough of Low pressure moves North across the UK tonight and tomorrow followed by a cooler and fresher SW airflow.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE A lot of dry and fine weather but occasional rain at times especially in the NW. Chance of thundery showers at times too towards the SE. Generally rather warm.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the Jet Stream flowing across the Atlantic towards Biscay then turning NE over the UK. This pattern persists for a time before the flow veers West to East and possibly NW to SE over us later next week. In the outer reaches of the run the flow weakens in situ for a while before rejuvenating across the UK in a NE'ly direction in two weeks time.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational today shows the very warm conditions remaining tantalizingly close to Southern Britain through the next 5 days or so while the rest of the UK more quickly become cooler and more changeable with some rain or showers at times in an Atlantic Westerly flow. The cooler air finally reaches the far South later next week while pressure rises again from the West. The second week then shows High pressure building and relaxing again periodically from the South ensuring that the weather remains generally quite settled in the South and very warm at times with any more unsettled conditions remaining most likely over the North.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


THE GFS CONTROL The GFS Control run follows a similar route although from the onset of the second week it is more bullish about High pressure settling things down across all of the UK then with some very warm and sunny conditions developing for all regions throughout Week 2


THE GFS CLUSTERS(14 Days) The GFS Clusters look good this morning with the vast majority of members suggesting that the UK will lie under the influence of High pressure from the Azores with just a handful of members today going fo something a little more unsettled from off the Atlantic.


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


UKMO UKMO today shows weakening Low pressure across the North early next week with a slack Westerly flow across the UK. Pressure remains High to the South so the patchy rain and showers across the UK will be most prolific for the North with a hint of fine and warm conditions developing back across the UK later in the week looking possible.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts support fresher air on a SW breeze through the early days of next week with troughs to the West threatening some outbreaks of more persistent rain by Tuesday, especially in the West.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120.


GEM GEM today shows a more changeable phase under cooler conditions on a Westerly breeze early next week. Pressure then rises with some fine and sunny weather for a time across the South and East where it is likely to become warm before a return to cooler Atlantic Westerlies is shown again for all to end the run.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows a cooler and more showery phase early next week but this run tooshows High pressure re-establishing across at least Southern areas later next week with increasinag amounts of warm or very warm sunshine while any cooler and more unsettled conditions become confined to the far North.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif.


ECM ECM today continues the theme that cureently lies across the UK with spells of warm or very warm and sunny weather interrupted at times by thundery rain as cooler air invades from the Atlantic only for the cycle to repeat again thereafter. It does show a briefly more general cool off early next week as winds switch West or NW for a time.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


ECM 10 DAY MEAN The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart from last night continues to look good with a ridge from the Azores close to the South of Britain and with warm uppers it looks like the chances of some very warm air still over the South looks high.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend today looks in favour of plenty of fine and warm weather likely still with just brief interruptions from cooler and more showery phases, these chiefly in the North.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The current verification statistics for the past 31 days shows ECM leading the way at 3 days with 96.1 pts followed by UKMO at 95.2 pts and GFS at 94.8. At 5 days ECM  leads GFS at 84.3 pts with GFS at 81.6 pts and UKMO at 81.4 pts. At 8 days ECM clocks in ahead of GFS at 48.5 over 45.4. Then at Day 10 ECM remains ahead of GFS at 31.7 pts to 28.0 pts.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.prig
 


MY THOUGHTS I'm overall not unhappy with the output this morning as it looks like the weather will remain quite slow moving with regard to changes over the coming weeks. True there is a strong suggestion that the weather will cool down for all early next week as winds tilt more West or NW for a time with some showery rain about too but this only serves to pump up new High pressure across the UK through the middle of next week to return fine and in places very warm weather again especially towards the South and East. I am glad to see that the suggestions of yesterday from ECM for High pressure to be positioned to the SW and a NW flow to become established has been dropped for now with the High pressure areas remaining or moving to a position to the South, SE or East and permitting warm feeds of Southerly or SW winds across the UK. It looks unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of recently though with the mid to high 20'sC looking more likely as there looks to be too much of a SW aspect to the wind to present a true Spanish Plume type event this side of the Channel in the next couple of weeks but nevertheless as Atlantic fronts move up against these high temperatures there is plenty of chance for thundery showers to break out at times especially towards the SE. So all in all reasons to be optimistic from the models this morning with South and East of the UK best as usual but even the North and West will share in some very pleasantly warm conditions at times between the showery phases likely there.


Next update from 08:00 Saturday July 4th 2015


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Jiries
03 July 2015 08:46:41


ECM ends on a very warm if not hot note for the South a very good run . Looking back there is barely a 1 day blip for the south. BANK!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I think this summer the heat would focus on W Europe instead of East Europe and Russia as they are much cooler this year.  I also read on Cyprus Mail from their Met office predict their summer going to be cooler to average and this morning Larnaca ensembles show bang on the average throughout.  


It our turn to get the heat instead of watching other side especially Moscow get all the heat.  Most likely for now around 25-30C here but we not done for a serious heat as we still have time to get another one.

Gavin P
03 July 2015 12:24:47

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Fair July From JMA Friday;



Signals looking OK for coming month...


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Gooner
03 July 2015 12:44:09


ECM ends on a very warm if not hot note for the South a very good run . Looking back there is barely a 1 day blip for the south. BANK!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Certainly looks good doesnt it


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Hungry Tiger
03 July 2015 13:05:20

Nice.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


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Saint Snow
03 July 2015 15:05:09


Nice.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


Really?



 


The 6z GFS is much better for fine, nationwide weather



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Rob K
03 July 2015 15:39:33
Subzero 850s can sod off at this time of year. Hopefully to be removed shortly in the 12Z

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1562.gif 


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David M Porter
03 July 2015 15:55:03


 


 


Really?



 


The 6z GFS is much better for fine, nationwide weather


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I agree, Saint. GFS 06z is a pretty decent run for virtually all of the UK in terms of generally settled weather.


 


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Stormchaser
03 July 2015 17:56:15

No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Thankfully GFS has shifted next week's Scandi trough a bit to the east on the 12z op run compared to the 06z op, meaning it bears greater resemblance to the ECM 00z op run - though still not quite as warm Fri-Sat.


The picture by next weekend reflects a classic 'Omega Block' setup, with the jet diving south in the mid-Atlantic, then heading north to the west of the UK, curving around to dive back south to the east of the UK. It follows a shape similar to the Greek letter Omega.


This particular version of events doesn't dive far south enough in the Atlantic to raise the threat of that intense heat returning from the south. In fact the Atlantic setup is markedly different to recent runs with much more of an Azores High in play - giving me reason to look at that with low confidence. It leads to a low sliding into the UK not far into FI - though that could easily have occurred to the SW of the UK with interesting results.


 


Lets see what ECM brings to the party later this evening.


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Polar Low
03 July 2015 18:15:29

The mean looks even better


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=162&mode=0&carte=1


Good hold of pressure on that mean for the south warming up with time


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png


in fact both look good with that omega looking block


http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


 


 


 

Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2015 18:41:12

Lovely very warm day 6 chart from ECM 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


Hot by this time next week


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html


 


 


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Matty H
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03 July 2015 18:53:49

Goes totally breasts skyward immediately afterward. I'm not fussed though. At the range all the models are changing with every run. 


Ally Pally Snowman
03 July 2015 19:03:36


Goes totally breasts skyward immediately afterward. I'm not fussed though. At the range all the models are changing with every run. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


It does a bit but the signs are there for another heatwave at the end of next week. It ends on a very warm note.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


GEM wants us to break the record again very hot!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1922.html


 


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Stormchaser
03 July 2015 19:32:59

No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Huh. Didn't this happen before - ECM progressive, GFS wandering about, GEM really laying on the heat?


We went the way of GEM with the last round. Imagine if that happened again 


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DEW
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03 July 2015 20:31:27


 


I think this summer the heat would focus on W Europe instead of East Europe and Russia as they are much cooler this year.  I also read on Cyprus Mail from their Met office predict their summer going to be cooler to average and this morning Larnaca ensembles show bang on the average throughout.  


It our turn to get the heat instead of watching other side especially Moscow get all the heat.  Most likely for now around 25-30C here but we not done for a serious heat as we still have time to get another one.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Indeed, not far east of Moscow, a substantial area 6C below average next week


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


 


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Gooner
03 July 2015 22:25:16


 


 


It does a bit but the signs are there for another heatwave at the end of next week. It ends on a very warm note.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


GEM wants us to break the record again very hot!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1922.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


N Miller did hint at signs of a warm up again towards the end of the week


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Whether Idle
03 July 2015 22:37:32


 


Indeed, not far east of Moscow, a substantial area 6C below average next week


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Good.  The cold can stay there til December.


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nsrobins
04 July 2015 07:17:15
UKMO quite different from the Euro and U.S. Models.

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Matty H
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04 July 2015 07:45:56

Horrible, messy pattern on all the models after midweek. No one can possibly place an ounce of confidence in any of them. None of the big three really delight me. 


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