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White Meadows
24 December 2015 23:57:47
This time tomorrow it will all be gone and forgotten like the silly paper hats.
Chichesterweatherfan2
24 December 2015 23:59:02
Just back from a lovely evening with friends and feeling a bit squiffy!! Excited to see 3 pages on this thread since I last looked in! But oddly enough no contributions from Shropshire this evenignπŸ˜› A happy Christmas to everyone on TWO!
Russwirral
25 December 2015 00:36:37

Lol - what an outlier - some level headedness required tonight... on all nights too


 


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Sevendust
25 December 2015 00:54:05


Lol - what an outlier - some level headedness required tonight... on all nights too


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Same thing happened on the 6z

Zubzero
25 December 2015 01:02:00


Lol - what an outlier - some level headedness required tonight... on all nights too


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Why did I ask Santa for a BBQ this Christmas and not a sledge! 


 


The GFS has stolen Santa's sherry  so will probably end up with a canoe. 

Quantum
25 December 2015 01:16:38

If you have to have an outlier run, wouldn't you rather it be the OP? 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Sevendust
25 December 2015 01:33:11


If you have to have an outlier run, wouldn't you rather it be the OP? 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Not that sure it makes much difference once you get into low res?


Darren will know

nsrobins
25 December 2015 01:34:56

A stonking outlier it might be, but we'll be singing it's praises when the ensembles catch up with it tomorrow πŸ˜‰


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
nsrobins
25 December 2015 01:37:02


Not that sure it makes much difference once you get into low res?


Darren will know


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Morning Dave 😘 it was always the understanding that the OP was run on a higher resolution that the suite in the longer range but I don't think that's the case anymore.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
tallyho_83
25 December 2015 02:07:51
If only this came through true:

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20151224/18/276/prectypeuktopo.png 

Temperatures widely below average throughout whole of Europe

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20151224/18/276/maxtemp.png 

If that's FI - there is New Years Day - in one week's time - temperatures look set to fall.
Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Magical Moon
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SEMerc
25 December 2015 02:08:46


Lol - what an outlier - some level headedness required tonight... on all nights too


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Could end up being a trendsetter.

Retron
25 December 2015 04:37:32


Not that sure it makes much difference once you get into low res?


Darren will know


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Merry Christmas all!


Yes, it makes a difference in that there's higher resolution and unperturbed and thus more likely to be correct - but given that the correlation by day 10 of the op run is already hovering around 50%, beyond then it'll just get lower and lower. Or to put it another way, the op run is slightly better than the ensemble members but at that range it's still really only useful as a bit of fun!


FWIW there were approximately 19% fewer plane observations fed into the models on yesterday's 12z run, but the ship/synop data was the same as ever. No stats are available for the 18z run as yet.


Leysdown, north Kent
Karl Guille
25 December 2015 08:07:53
The cold outlier from the 18z Op is understandably not repeated in this morning's 6z but it's much the same otherwise with cold establishing across eastern and Central Europe which at least increases the chances of something advecting west for the rest of Europe. Meanwhile there is also the chance of cooler incursions from the north-west for those of you lucky enough to live far enough north to get snow from such scenarios. Happy Cristmas to all on Two! πŸ˜€πŸ‡¬πŸ‡¬
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2015 08:24:00

Merry Christmas everyone.


Ecm definitely moving torwards GFS. No easterly yet but by day 10 it's looking very good long term. Vortex in tatters.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recmnh2401.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
mistuk
25 December 2015 08:25:18


 


FWIW there were approximately 19% fewer plane observations fed into the models on yesterday's 12z run, but the ship/synop data was the same as ever. No stats are available for the 18z run as yet.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


From what I can see in front of me there will be a lot less plane observations fed in from today! The NAT looks very quiet...

JACKO4EVER
25 December 2015 08:40:58
Morning all & happy Christmas!
No stellar runs this morning but ECM may offer some crumbs of comfort for coldies later down the line. The PV looks to be coming under all sorts of pressure- much to play for at the beginning of January
Whether Idle
25 December 2015 08:48:20

Good morning and Merry Christmas!


Although a week off, this chart is priceless.  It shows warm upper air advected well into the Arctic in the region of Franz Joseph Land,(something like 80 N) Novaya Zemyla and Spitzbergen.  Whilst this is no guarantee of cold for the UK down the line, it does mean easternmost Europe should receive a compensatory plunge of frigid dense polar air which could stagnate and migrate westwards later.  Very interesting times.



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
sizzle
25 December 2015 08:48:48

have a very happy MILD Christmas guys, snow for the new year ?

doctormog
25 December 2015 09:00:21

Up here at least there seems to be more support for a chilly outlook than there was on the 18z ensemble data (not that that would have been difficult!)


http://meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&lat=57.2&lon=-2.3


There seems to be an increasingly strong signal for weather from an easterly quarter. Whether it materialises or brings anything wintry is another issue. Either way a very happy Chrostmas and New Year to you all.


P.S. Not an especially mild Christmas here - about 10 degrees cooler than 2011 


Gandalf The White
25 December 2015 09:11:30

A very happy Christmas to everyone.


Santa has forgotten the snow this year, as usual, but at least has delivered some interesting charts.


The ECM 00z ensemble mean for T+240 is markedly different to yesterday's 12z and shows good suport for a block to our east:



The level of uncertainty in the same area is huge and highlights the uncertainty over position and ntensity of any block, from something potentially more influential for us to nothing at all.



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Retron
25 December 2015 09:14:42

Here's today's 0z ECM ensemble output. Good signs of a cooldown to nearer normal in the new year!



 


Leysdown, north Kent
Gandalf The White
25 December 2015 09:16:46


Here's today's 0z ECM ensemble output. Good signs of a cooldown to nearer normal in the new year!



Originally Posted by: Retron 


Even a chance of an air frost once we get to the New Year!  Who'd have thought it possible?


Happy Christmas, Darren.  Keep the useful insights coming.



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
25 December 2015 09:21:13

For amusement purposes have a look at perturbation 11 from the 00z GFS...


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres


It looks rather more innocuous on the charts but that's quite a cold pool.


http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015122500/gensnh-11-0-336.png



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gooner
25 December 2015 09:23:36

Merry Xmas all



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


some faraway beach
25 December 2015 09:33:58

Yesterday's ECM 12z for 1 Jan, with its pleasing yellows over Novaya Zemlya:



This morning's 00z ECM for 1 Jan, and, as noted by Whether Idle, the yellows are still there, and enhanced, if anything:



Consistency, going in the right direction for cold, and not at 240 hrs just for once.


Happy Christmas, everyone!


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.

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