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doctormog
25 December 2015 16:32:33
Ironically it looks better than the GFS at the same point.
Gandalf The White
25 December 2015 16:33:23


Met O has changed its tune somewhat and appears to be moving towards are more GFS-esque solution.  Certainly a robust block even if its not of great UK influence.  A step in the right direction. UKMO 144...could be good down the line....


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Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


That's interesting.  It's showing a rather better defined upper high than the GFS evolution at the same point.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
25 December 2015 16:37:32

GFS 12z not delivering the same intensity of upper high and not driving it as far north as before.



Time to cite the reduced amount of data, perhaps....


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


DEW
  • DEW
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25 December 2015 16:41:45

Wed 6yh and Thu 7th appear to be the days to watch


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=snow;sess= 


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Chichester 12m asl
Quantum
25 December 2015 16:59:30

12Z not playing ball but the destruction of the polar votex continues. 



I think the outlook for January is very positive


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
David M Porter
25 December 2015 17:14:42


12Z not playing ball but the destruction of the polar votex continues. 



I think the outlook for January is very positive


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That in itself sounds encouraging, Q. I very much hope you are ultimately proved right with your thoughts here wrt January. I know that Moomin saw the potential for this month to be exceptionally mild from quite a way off (despite a fair amount of criticism from me and others!) and he hasn't been off the mark at all there, so let's hope you are similarly vindicated.


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Quantum
25 December 2015 17:18:34


 


That in itself sounds encouraging, Q. I very much hope you are ultimately proved right with your thoughts here wrt January. I know that Moomin saw the potential for this month to be exceptionally mild from quite a way off (despite a fair amount of criticism from me and others!) and he hasn't been off the mark at all there, so let's hope you are similarly vindicated.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Interestingly enough I note that when the tropospheric (500) polar vortex is stronger (from run to run) the stratospheric polar vortex tends to be weaker. It seems as if is just a matter of where the 'energy' is going, but either way the polar vortex has been under attack for weeks now and is projected to be under attack for weeks more. 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Andy Woodcock
25 December 2015 17:30:36
Despite all the eye candy FI charts the MetO are having none of it with no change to their mild outlook until at least mid January.

It looks increasingly like the UK will be stuck between cold weather out west and even colder weather over Eastern Europe dropping down to the eastern Med and producing a Greek Special.

Been there plenty of times before (remember January 2002) but ultimately it didn't benefit the UK, frustrating but there we go.

Really a half hearted Scandy High is the last thing we need as it just slows down fronts and depressions near the UK, instead we need a Scandy through giving north westerly and northerly potential, we are in danger of ending up in no mans land.

At least the Slug is on it's way out but that is the only good news from current output.

Andy
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Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

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Gooner
25 December 2015 17:34:41

Certainly a change is on the way from what we have been experiencing , those writing off the first half of January were a bit premature I'd say.  Not saying we will get deep drifts but at least its something 'new' to look at


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2015 17:45:15

Poor GFS but the GEM is back on board.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2015 17:46:57


Certainly a change is on the way from what we have been experiencing , those writing off the first half of January were a bit premature I'd say.  Not saying we will get deep drifts but at least its something 'new' to look at


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Just some frost would do for a start anything other than this unrelenting damp mild grey shiteness


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
25 December 2015 17:49:16

Ensemble watch 300hr


 


Zonal (LP to north): ||||5


HP near UK (SErly): |||


LP close to UK (cold): ||||5 ||| 


LP close to UK (zonal): ||


Scandi HP (Erly): |


N atlantic high (Nthly): |


Greenland high (NErly): |


 


Temp Summary


V Cold: 3


Cold: 11


Normal: 2


Mild: 5


Very Mild: 0


 


Key


Very cold: <3C generally, ~0C in the north. Cold enough for snow everywhere except possibly SW


Cold: 2-4C in the north, 5-7C in the south. Cold enough for snow in the north, and to higher ground further south


Normal: 5-9C generally. Cold enough for hill snow in the north


Mild: 7-11C generally. Not cold enough for snow.


Very mild: Widespread double figures.


 


Definite bias towards cold on the ensembles.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Retron
25 December 2015 18:08:08

What's interesting to me is the fact that there have been a number of charts like this churned out. Clearly they're most unlikely to actually come off, but what a breath of fresh air it is to see the likes of this, compared to the month of mild dross we've just endured.



Leysdown, north Kent
Quantum
25 December 2015 18:26:53

I have a good feeling about this.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
25 December 2015 18:29:21

ECM WAA-ing it right up there, and in the semi reliable too@120hrs



Edit


 


IIRC very similar to the UKMO at the same time....@144:



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Whether Idle
25 December 2015 18:36:14

With a bit of luck, this could be a Christmas present from the ECM @ 240, or perhaps a lump of coal...here's the picture @168



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Quantum
25 December 2015 18:36:36


I think we all know what happens next. A 'blue' south easterly.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
25 December 2015 18:42:52

@ 192 (deep in FI, of course) the ECM is looking hot! Are the  floodgates to the east opening to the advancing cold?


Whatever happens next the trend is good and the similarity between UKMO and ECM @ 144 is good combined with the sustained S-N WAA in the reliable.  Model watching is fun again, even if its 12c and drizzly out there, AGAIN.



 


EDIT .. and @216:



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gusty
25 December 2015 18:49:24

ECM 192. Its coming I'll tell ya .



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Quantum
25 December 2015 18:50:29

That is a very snowy chart



A widespread 10cm+ event if that comes off.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
25 December 2015 18:53:29



Cant grumble


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gusty
25 December 2015 18:54:33

Indeed Q..away from the far SW. 



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David M Porter
25 December 2015 18:54:51

Very interesting ECM 12z so far. That said, I only hope it hasn't been in the pub all afternoon!


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Gusty
25 December 2015 18:56:36

ECM 240 hrs OMG 



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Ally Pally Snowman
25 December 2015 18:58:02


Indeed Q..away from the far SW. 



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Not sure it's a widespread snow event it's very close to one though. An excellent run nonetheless .


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

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