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squish
20 December 2015 18:11:06
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015122006/gfsnh-0-360.png?6 

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015122006/gfsnh-1-360.png?6 

I hadn't realised the parallel was back . This was the 06z GFS(p)

Definite signs that something is on the cards as we move towards 2016- but it might take a while to fall into place........
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Brian Gaze
20 December 2015 18:20:18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015122006/gfsnh-0-360.png?6

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015122006/gfsnh-1-360.png?6

I hadn't realised the parallel was back . This was the 06z GFS(p)

Definite signs that something is on the cards as we move towards 2016- but it might take a while to fall into place........


Originally Posted by: squish 


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roger63
20 December 2015 18:26:38

The GFS  12h  OP has a fascinating battle from 192-384 between the Atlantic and the cold (but not very cold) air to the east.The Ens have anticyclonic influenced members in the majority with some quite tasty members.My favourite is this very Feb 47 type chart at 360h.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=360&code=18&mode=0&carte=0


Mild is likely to prevail in the end but plenty of interest in the Post Christmas week model ouput.

squish
20 December 2015 18:27:24
Thanks Brian. I've not been watching things as closely as usual as there's not been a lot to get excited about- so it could easily have been up for weeks without me noticing!

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nsrobins
20 December 2015 18:31:10

The Force Awakens? 😎
As many have said, the potential of a significant push of WAA north has been loosely touted for some time now and this op run punches it big time.
Maybe not screams, but definitely loud whispers that something may be simmering heading towards the year's end.


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roger63
20 December 2015 19:28:18

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


Reasonable agreement between GFS and GEM at 240h>However ECM spoils the party with a short lived toppler


 

White Meadows
20 December 2015 19:30:44
ECM not coming to the party.
Gusty
20 December 2015 20:15:42

An incredible amount of scatter now showing on the GFS ensembles after Boxing Day compared from where we were  just a day or two ago. 


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Solar Cycles
20 December 2015 20:28:52


An incredible amount of scatter now showing on the GFS ensembles after Boxing Day compared from where we were  just a day or two ago. 


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Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Changes afoot with a little beast from the East waiting to mature and pounce.

Gusty
20 December 2015 20:39:20


Changes afoot with a little beast from the East waiting to mature and pounce.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Maybe .


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JACKO4EVER
20 December 2015 20:50:48


 


You've quoted a post from yesterday!


As Arcus says, this scenario has popped up repeatedly in the ensembles (both ECM and GEFS) over the past few days, so it was likely that sooner or later we'd see it in an operational run.


And as is usual in these situations, it all hinges on the jet over the Atlantic. If it splits in the right way and forces a chunk of the trough to become cut-off, sending warm air due north as a side-effect, then we're poised for a cold spell. If it doesn't split in the right way the jet then heads NE'wards, the warm air goes up NE'wards too and the Scandinavian heights drift harmlessly away to the SE.


Expect a few swings and roundabouts ahead, as the genesis of it all is still at that slightly-too-far-to-be-certain range...


Originally Posted by: Retron 


excellent and informative post, just what is needed if it's a shot at colder weather you want.


as Gusty has just pointed out also, there is a great deal of scatter in the GFS ensembles just out of the reliable period, another sign that something may be afoot. However ECM does not want to play ball atm, so I think we are heading into a crucial model watching period with more of a hope at breaking this incredibly mild rut that we have at present.


And that's as close as your ever gonna get to a cold ramp from me 😀

Shropshire
20 December 2015 20:51:39

Horrific ECM, January could be even milder if that comes off.


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squish
20 December 2015 20:52:01
JMA wasn't too bad. Orientation of the WAA is key...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rjma1921.gif 


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squish
20 December 2015 20:53:54
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20 December 2015 20:55:26

ECM op may disappoint but unusual spreads over Scandi gives hope.



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squish
20 December 2015 20:59:33
ECM 10 day ensembles and it was definitely on the mild side- although 2m temps aren't that useful in evolving pattern changes such as this (potential) one...
http://cdn.knmi.nl/knmi/map/page/weer/waarschuwingen_verwachtingen/ensemble/detail/ensemble-verwachtingen-detail10.png 
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squish
20 December 2015 21:01:47
The 12z parallel becomes quite tasty again- but takes a good 2 weeks to evolve

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015122012/gfsnh-0-360.png?12?12 

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squish
20 December 2015 21:03:18

ECM 15 day ensembles



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David M Porter
20 December 2015 21:04:35


Horrific ECM, January could be even milder if that comes off.


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


I fear you may be about to fall into the same trap as Moomin did. Yes it's a poor run compared to the GFS 12z op, but there's no need to jump the gun.


That ECM run only goes as far as 30th December! There is little point just now IMO in trying to judge how January will unfold based on that or any other model run in isolation.


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White Meadows
20 December 2015 21:12:19

I'm far from convinced by Gfs about potential for a cold spell. If a genuine pattern switch is taking place after Christmas I'll sit up but I've been model watching far too long to know better.
Other usual important signals are absent. For example the NAO scatter, albeit varied remains mostly in a positive trend:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/new.nao_index_ensm.html


 

moomin75
20 December 2015 21:27:45


 


I fear you may be about to fall into the same trap as Moomin did. Yes it's a poor run compared to the GFS 12z op, but there's no need to jump the gun.


That ECM run only goes as far as 30th December! There is little point just now IMO in trying to judge how January will unfold based on that or any other model run in isolation.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

With utmost respect David I only realistically wrote off December and any comments regarding January from me were tongue in cheek based on past experience rather than anything scientific.


I didn't fall into any trap regarding December at all. I merely gave my appraisal of what was transpiring before our very eyes.


I made a lucky call I guess but no I did not fall into a trap.


I have said a couple of times in the last few days that a significant pattern change could be emerging. I did not base any of my previous comments based solely on one operational but on the clear trend cross-models. 


This ECM in isolation therefore is not concerning and certainly offers no reason to jump the gun and write off January. 


On the contrary. The trend is clear towards something possibly quite significant next month and it was only about 24 hours ago that ECM was showing something not too dissimilar to what the GFS JMA and GEM are showing tonight.


Definitely all to play for IMO.


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John p
20 December 2015 21:33:08


ECM 15 day ensembles



Originally Posted by: squish 


Op and control on the mild side, larger cluster go for cold is my interpretation of that. Hmm...


 


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David M Porter
20 December 2015 21:40:42


With utmost respect David I only realistically wrote off December and any comments regarding January from me were tongue in cheek based on past experience rather than anything scientific.


I didn't fall into any trap regarding December at all. I merely gave my appraisal of what was transpiring before our very eyes.


I made a lucky call I guess but no I did not fall into a trap.


I have said a couple of times in the last few days that a significant pattern change could be emerging. I did not base any of my previous comments based solely on one operational but on the clear trend cross-models. 


This ECM in isolation therefore is not concerning and certainly offers no reason to jump the gun and write off January. 


On the contrary. The trend is clear towards something possibly quite significant next month and it was only about 24 hours ago that ECM was showing something not too dissimilar to what the GFS JMA and GEM are showing tonight.


Definitely all to play for IMO.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Kieren, while I do accept there is every chance now of your prediction regarding a record mild December coming to pass, even you must accept that when you first made this prediction (in the early days of the month IIRC), there was still enough by way of variation in the model output generally to suggest that your prediction may not necessarily have come to pass. If you recall, some GFS op runs in FI a couple of weeks ago were suggesting that the second half December could have been rather colder than the first half. That was why I, and some other people, were finding your apparent very high confidence in a record mild December hard to understand at that time.


As I said, there is now a good chance you will be proved right, but it is one thing to merely suggest a record breaking month and quite another to go on about it as if it's a dead cert to happen from a way off. You have got lucky this month, big time.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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doctormog
20 December 2015 21:46:45


Horrific ECM, January could be even milder if that comes off.


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


Are you being serious? 


(Bearing in mind that the publicly available ECM op run doesn't even reach January!)


White Meadows
20 December 2015 21:52:06
Hats off to Moomin, if he made a fair prediction on December.
May I ask which signals stood out for you Mooms?

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