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Weathermac
20 July 2016 12:19:52

Models are slowly but surely firming up in a return to the unsettled changeable pattern we have seen all summer. Yesterday was a one day only special and can't foresee anything remotely similar for the remainder of the summer.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


This is our 3rd day in a row over 27c Moomin and to be honest this wasn't spotted by the models until quite late so I wouldn't rule out some more hot weather over the next 2 weeks .

doctormog
20 July 2016 12:34:38
I'm not sure that one could claim a return to changeable conditions as changeable conditions have never really left. Even currently during the one to two day heatwave it is still rather changeable for most. It certainly looks less hot and continues to be more unsettled in the north and particular northwest in the coming week or so.
David M Porter
20 July 2016 14:00:32


Indeed. I did say more changeable which is about right. 


I'm not saying it's a write off at present although that could still happen.  I am saying it's a return to more changeable and certainly much cooler.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


After the nightmare of a time I had trying to get some sleep last night (temps were forecast to be no lower than 20C in Glasgow last night, most unusual for us!), I'm not sorry that it's going to cool down again. Yesterday and last night were way too humid for my liking.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Azza07
20 July 2016 15:51:56


 


After the nightmare of a time I had trying to get some sleep last night (temps were forecast to be no lower than 20C in Glasgow last night, most unusual for us!), I'm not sorry that it's going to cool down again. Yesterday and last night were way too humid for my liking.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


yes I can't wait for the cool down either , way way to hot for me . I like it settled and dry but not to hot and muggy around the 20 mark is warm enough . 😎

LeedsLad123
20 July 2016 16:02:43

The outlook looks fairly ordinary to me. 3 days in a row above 80F is good enough for me - can't expect too much outside of heatwave months (i.e July 2006). Next 10 days has highs in the low-mid 20s, with sunny spells, chance of one or two showers. So pleasant.


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
SJV
20 July 2016 17:31:44

GFS 12z isn't too inspiring, with low pressure taking over and being very stubborn to shift as the Greeny high just blocks an Azores high inroad 


Interestingly you can see a hurricane modelled at the end of the run to the far SE of the US  That might shake up the pattern going into August 

Phil G
20 July 2016 18:01:52
Moomin, all long range weather forecasts are guesses. Often they are wrong, but sometimes they are right. There is no super power or super being that knows exactly what may happen.
Instead of the term LRF, this should be LRG, long range guess.
TimS
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20 July 2016 18:36:50


 


 


I agree. GFS this morning shows a stronger presence of high pressure from the SW, ECM less so. Nothing can be taken too seriously anyway given the chopping and changing, but of the three models GEM can be taken even less seriously than the other two.


Talk of 40c temperatures is also amusing within current output, but that's it. If you want a laugh, look at the nutty NAVGEM, always worth a giggle if there's nothing on telly. 


 


Originally Posted by: golfingmad 


If you looked at the GEM 12z on the 19th it was showing a set up at 240 hours that could easily have led, a few days later, to something more extreme than August 2003. It was just showing the beginnings.


One model, no support elsewhere, so a bit of fun. But that kind of pattern is technical feasible as that model showed. One of these days we'll see something like this for real.


Sadly GEM is now back with the pack.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Essan
20 July 2016 19:07:36


The outlook looks fairly ordinary to me. 3 days in a row above 80F is good enough for me - can't expect too much outside of heatwave months (i.e July 2006). Next 10 days has highs in the low-mid 20s, with sunny spells, chance of one or two showers. So pleasant.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 



Aye, down here it looks quite reasonable.   Not endless sun and hign temps, but quite warm enough.   And very little if any rain here so very good chance this will end up my driest summer month on record


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David M Porter
20 July 2016 19:42:41


GFS 12z isn't too inspiring, with low pressure taking over and being very stubborn to shift as the Greeny high just blocks an Azores high inroad 


Interestingly you can see a hurricane modelled at the end of the run to the far SE of the US  That might shake up the pattern going into August 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


That might just be the thing that finally kills the Greeny block, should it come to pass. The deep FI section of a few GFS op runs seems to have been toying with the idea of a possible hange as we move into August, the most notable change that I have seen from those runs being the eventual demise of the Greenland High.


IIRC, the TWO summer forecast did go for better weather in August than what was predicted for June and July, so who knows? Maybe GFS is starting to pick up on a possible change. Let's hope so!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
golfingmad
20 July 2016 21:07:21


 


That might just be the thing that finally kills the Greeny block, should it come to pass. The deep FI section of a few GFS op runs seems to have been toying with the idea of a possible hange as we move into August, the most notable change that I have seen from those runs being the eventual demise of the Greenland High.


IIRC, the TWO summer forecast did go for better weather in August than what was predicted for June and July, so who knows? Maybe GFS is starting to pick up on a possible change. Let's hope so!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Strangely this is what Philip Hammond mentioned toward the end of last week, the idea of a hurricane converting to a strong low pressure system that would dislodge the pattern and produce a different set-up. I suppose this means an intense system would finally send the Greenland high packing, allowing the Azores high to transfer from its deep mid-Atlantic hideaway and push more in our direction.


Current output is nothing exciting for hot weather fans but I don't think we should write off August just yet. Something along the lines of the Hammond suggestion may just happen and before you know it we may actually have a very good August. And it's been quite a long time since we've had one of those.


Cambridge and Winchmore Hill London N21.
David M Porter
21 July 2016 08:33:19


 


 


Strangely this is what Philip Hammond mentioned toward the end of last week, the idea of a hurricane converting to a strong low pressure system that would dislodge the pattern and produce a different set-up. I suppose this means an intense system would finally send the Greenland high packing, allowing the Azores high to transfer from its deep mid-Atlantic hideaway and push more in our direction.


Current output is nothing exciting for hot weather fans but I don't think we should write off August just yet. Something along the lines of the Hammond suggestion may just happen and before you know it we may actually have a very good August. And it's been quite a long time since we've had one of those.


Originally Posted by: golfingmad 


I reckon you may be thinking of John Hammond here (BBC forecaster). Philip Hammond in the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, if I'm not mistaken.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
SJV
21 July 2016 08:38:14

Interesting GFS 00z run, with high pressure more of an influence for southern areas in particular next week, before low pressure eventually takes over in time for next weekend. Thereafter the situation seems very messy and uncertain, with the arse end of FI treating us to another plume with low pressure in the Atlantic drawing up more humid air from southern Europe with high pressure to the north and east.


GEM and ECM more progressive with the Atlantic low influence next week  The former has flip-flopped more than a decked mackerel wearing flip-flops, however.

bledur
21 July 2016 08:43:00


 


I reckon you may be thinking of John Hammond here (BBC forecaster). Philip Hammond in the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, if I'm not mistaken.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 


No, No, No,. You mean Albert HammondLaugh


 


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Solar Cycles
21 July 2016 09:04:34
I'm hoping the Azores high can just assert enough influence for another fortnight at least. I'm fed up of hearing the pitter patter of rain on our tent year on year. 🙂
Polar Low
21 July 2016 09:04:49

indeed, as the gfs mean shows it would not take much but don't tell moomin


 



 


Interesting 00z run, with high pressure more of an influence for southern areas in particular next week, before low pressure eventually takes over in time for next weekend. Thereafter the situation seems very messy and uncertain, with the arse end of FI treating us to another plume with low pressure in the Atlantic drawing up more humid air from southern Europe with high pressure to the north and east.

Originally Posted by: SJV 

soperman
21 July 2016 09:16:11

Interestingly today a total divergence between ECM and GFS in the hires.


If this was winter one of them would be getting a good slating.


Hoping GFS wins out as I am on holiday in Devon next week

Gavin D
21 July 2016 16:40:12

Warm and dry according to UKMO away from the far north


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Gavin D
21 July 2016 16:47:24

Mid to upper 20's in the south and SE this weekend according to GFS


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SJV
21 July 2016 16:51:23


Mid to upper 20's in the south and SE this weekend according to GFS


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Looking at the 12z run as a whole, it's exactly what we want to see long-term for the rest of this summer. Falling heights over Greenland keeps high pressure over the southern half of the UK, occasionally extending ridges further north too with low pressure tracking north of the UK rather than across the middle.


Very little rain for the south going by this run. We'll be seeing a 'yellow grass thread' soon  (started by Essan)

JOHN NI
21 July 2016 17:51:26


Warm and dry according to UKMO away from the far north


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Yes all looking a lot more ridged on the midday run. Similar signals from GFS operational at midday.


John.
The orange County of Armagh.
SJV
21 July 2016 19:20:30
12z ECM has a ridge of high pressure promptly squashed after t144 but the ridge returns the following Sunday. Temperatures remaining average or slightly above in the south.
David M Porter
21 July 2016 20:27:54

12z ECM has a ridge of high pressure promptly squashed after t144 but the ridge returns the following Sunday. Temperatures remaining average or slightly above in the south.

Originally Posted by: SJV 


ECM also shows the heights over Greenland gradually diminishing as we move into the start of August- let's hope this is maintained in the coming runs. If we can get rid of the heights over Greenland, it may be the first steps towards getting us out of this unsettled rut we've been in since late June.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
golfingmad
21 July 2016 21:19:25


 


I reckon you may be thinking of John Hammond here (BBC forecaster). Philip Hammond in the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, if I'm not mistaken.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Oops, can't think why I made that mistake, no disrespect intended to the new Chancellor but I do find John Hammond more interesting to listen to!


Cambridge and Winchmore Hill London N21.
golfingmad
21 July 2016 21:22:54


 


Looking at the 12z run as a whole, it's exactly what we want to see long-term for the rest of this summer. Falling heights over Greenland keeps high pressure over the southern half of the UK, occasionally extending ridges further north too with low pressure tracking north of the UK rather than across the middle.


Very little rain for the south going by this run. We'll be seeing a 'yellow grass thread' soon  (started by Essan)


Originally Posted by: SJV 


 


Yellow grass already evident around Cambridge and driving through to the Suffolk borders, so this will surely intensify if the current run verifies.


Could be a nice August, at least for central and southern England


Cambridge and Winchmore Hill London N21.

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