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Arcus
01 July 2017 13:02:52


We all know (presumably) that the average for the south is higher than that of the north


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I think that's the key point to understand. The BBC showed the provisional June 2017 temperature and rainfall anomaly maps last night, where 5km gridpoint datasets for June are compared to the 30 year average (1981 to 2010) 5km datasets for the same location. Thus you are comparing apples with apples in order to say that for my location it was warmer than the average for my location and wetter than the average for my location last month.


 


Ben,
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doctormog
01 July 2017 13:10:16


 


I think that's the key point to understand. The BBC showed the provisional June 2017 temperature and rainfall anomaly maps last night, where 5km gridpoint datasets for June are compared to the 30 year average (1981 to 2010) 5km datasets for the same location. Thus you are comparing apples with apples in order to say that for my location it was warmer than the average for my location and wetter than the average for my location last month.


 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Indeed!


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01 July 2017 14:02:23
The June anomaly maps show a slight North-South gradient, but a much bigger EW gradient. Compared to average Aberdeen did about as well as Exeter. Newcastle did better than Bournemouth.

On rainfall it was different. The North and coasts (except outer Hebrides) got a lot, the inland South and Midlands less.

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Brian Gaze
01 July 2017 15:11:09

Just noticed the GFSP06z goes up to 30C next Friday.



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Gavin D
01 July 2017 16:46:08
GFS 12z puts parts of the south back into the low 30s later next week
Bertwhistle
01 July 2017 16:57:00


Just noticed the GFSP06z goes up to 30C next Friday.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Thanks for bringing us back to the models, Brian!


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TimS
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01 July 2017 17:48:07
Please sir may I bank GEFS 12z p15?
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Brian Gaze
02 July 2017 11:21:36

Looks like a pretty good week ahead in the south but more changeable as you head further north.


GEFS suggests pretty decent first half of July in the south. GFS is quite bullish about 2m max temps this Fri / Sat approaching 30C in the south. That's about 8C above the average. 



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Matty H
02 July 2017 11:30:36

Good analysis Brian. Looking pretty decent for the south. Settled and increasingly warm/hot as things stand. 🌞👍👌


picturesareme
02 July 2017 19:23:52
I see even southerners or at least those that are from what could be classed as the south talking about a 'return' to summer like temperatures, and this has me miffed!

We've had three consecutive days now of summer temperatures, and (at least for here) the coming 7 days are also expected to bring summer temperatures.

Do people think that summer temperatures have to be in the high 20's low 30's or something to be classed as summer temperatures down here??

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02 July 2017 19:27:44

I see even southerners or at least those that are from what could be classed as the south talking about a 'return' to summer like temperatures, and this has me miffed!

We've had three consecutive days now of summer temperatures, and (at least for here) the coming 7 days are also expected to bring summer temperatures.

Do people think that summer temperatures have to be in the high 20's low 30's or something to be classed as summer temperatures down here??

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Yes: we've got used to European holidays and adjusted our perception of what summer means. For me it's all about sunshine though: today was only 23C but felt very summery because of the strong sunshine. More of this please.


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picturesareme
02 July 2017 19:35:15


 


Yes: we've got used to European holidays and adjusted our perception of what summer means. For me it's all about sunshine though: today was only 23C but felt very summery because of the strong sunshine. More of this please.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Exactly 👍🏼 


With the exceptions to a few lucky spots that have been warmer, it would be reasonable enough to say general temps across the south & southeast over past few days of 21-24C are summer like.

Matty H
02 July 2017 20:51:28

Another one to chuck in the bin with coldweatherfan or whatever he called himself....


Im not sure where people are reading it needs to be in the 30s to be summer either. Don't recall reading that. 


Today has been very warm here. I'm burnt again and the coming week looks very usable here again. Mind you the last week was too. That's despite now banned user claiming it would rain all week. 


Crepuscular Ray
03 July 2017 06:32:25
The models generally show a West or north-west flow up to mid-July with Lows to the north-west and the Azores high exerting a weak influence at times across the south. Up here that's not great news, still no sign of any warm summery weather. Bands of rain or showers with sunny spells and around 17 maybe 18 C at best.

Jerry
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doctormog
03 July 2017 06:52:07

The models generally show a West or north-west flow up to mid-July with Lows to the north-west and the Azores high exerting a weak influence at times across the south. Up here that's not great news, still no sign of any warm summery weather. Bands of rain or showers with sunny spells and around 17 maybe 18 C at best.

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Yes the pattern of recent days/week looks to be continuing - which is good news for southern parts and less good for northern ones.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html 


On the plus side Carol has just stated (re the north) "it won't be raining all the time though" 


johncs2016
03 July 2017 06:58:08


 


Yes the pattern of recent days/week looks to be continuing - which is good news for southern parts and less good for northern ones.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html 


On the plus side Carol has just stated (re the north) "it won't be raining all the time though" 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That sounds like a typical Carol Kirkwood phrase to me.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
David M Porter
03 July 2017 07:21:16


 


Yes the pattern of recent days/week looks to be continuing - which is good news for southern parts and less good for northern ones.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html 


On the plus side Carol has just stated (re the north) "it won't be raining all the time though" 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


All eyes are on mid-July onwards for me. The MetO have said consistently in their medium range forecasts for the last fortnight or so that they expect a more general improvement in most parts of the country around then. Although they are not certain of this by any means, whatever signal they for this they have been seeing must have been there consistently Fingers crossed!


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johncs2016
03 July 2017 07:38:37
I will be staying for a few days with my parents down in Hawick (which is in the Scottish Borders) at some point just after the midway point in this month and one of the reasons why I chose that particular period is because the medium term models have been hinting at some better weather from around that time onwards for quite some time now. I can only therefore hope that the actual weather doesn't then end up letting me down once that time comes.

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
TimS
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03 July 2017 11:01:08
06z GFS serves up a 1995-style corker.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
moomin75
03 July 2017 11:06:52

06z GFS serves up a 1995-style corker.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


With potentially an August 2003 corker thrown in for good measure. The 20c isotherm across the U.K. Temps probably hitting mid to high 30s !!!


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.gif


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yorkshirelad89
03 July 2017 13:23:08

I notice the 06z brings in some heat around the the T240 mark and quite a few other ensemble members show some more hot weather too.


If you like storms P11: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSP11EU06_246_2.png BOOM


If you want to see some records being threatened P17: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSP17EU06_276_2.png SCHORCHIO


Still quite a long time away but will it become an emerging pattern in subsequent runs?


 


Hull
yorkshirelad89
03 July 2017 18:13:41

Much different in the long term on the 12z but an upgrade for Thursday, uppers are slightly warmer which should help the storms develop. The breakdown of this warm spell will begin with a shallow thundery low developing over the Bay of Biscay and it looks good for storm chances in Southern England during the evening.


I have only seen two distant thunderstorms this year in Southampton but I think Thursday represents my best chance of the Summer so far. 


Hull
briggsy6
03 July 2017 22:05:25

Thomas Schafernacher talking about "Thundery Thursday" on tonight's forecast so the Met Office must be expecting some beefy showers in the offing. 


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David M Porter
04 July 2017 17:59:50

A rather better GFS 12z op run for the UK generally.


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TimS
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04 July 2017 18:37:41
I think the models will change again quite markedly, and in the short term. There's a lot of meandering at the moment.

I'm just sad really that yesterday's 06z GFS run didn't come to fruition. Would have been yuge.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl

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