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Brian Gaze
11 July 2017 19:41:12

Blowtorch conditions in France next week if tonight's output is correct. I'd be surprised if southern England doesn't tap into some of that heat, but we'll need to wait a tad longer before being certain.


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Gusty
11 July 2017 20:38:19

Increased confidence for a noteworthy heatwave developing again next week. 850Hpa's now exceeding 15c on the ECM and GFS would no doubt see temperatures reaching the mid 30's in the south with furnace like heat developing over France.


Its on its way 


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Whether Idle
11 July 2017 20:42:06


Increased confidence for a noteworthy heatwave developing again next week. 850Hpa's now exceeding 15c on the ECM and GFS would no doubt see temperatures reaching the mid 30's in the south with furnace like heat developing over France.


Its on its way 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


The July record is eminently breakable.  There for the taking.


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yorkshirelad89
11 July 2017 21:29:18

Again a strong signal for high pressure to ridge towards Scandi with high pressure extending all the way down to the Azores. Such a scenario favours a longer warm spell because any source of cool air to the continent is cut off. The warm air building across the channel could then get caught up in the high.


Looks very similar to the early part of August 1997, though still a way to go yet. Fascinating output though.


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johncs2016
11 July 2017 21:41:56
It will be interesting to see what the odds are of this upcoming heatwave as seen by the models (especially by the GFS) lasting for long enough for the odd location in southern Scotland to be challenging the 30C mark at some point in in time. What got me thinking about that, is that here in Edinburgh, we had 28C during the very end of the spring, and that tells me that it shouldn't be completely impossible to get at 30C temperature during this summer even though our weather has been so dire during this summer so far.

I know that it is very rare for us to get 30C in this part of the world, but that has happened on the odd occasion in the past and the 28C which we had in May isn't that far short of that. Having said that, I think that it will take quite a massive heatwave to beat the 28C which we had in May, but I don't think that we can rule that out altogether if the models are right about this coming heatwave. Our highest temperature of the summer currently stands at 25C, and that is certainly beatable.

For that happen here, we need to have the right synoptics with the area of high pressure being virtually right on top of us and producing some really good weather, but just far enough to our east or south to cut of those cooling sea breezes and allow some really hot air to be brought up from the south. Whether that ends up happening is another matter but I fear that even if the GFS is right, that area of high pressure might just be a wee bit to the north of us if anything, which puts us at a greater risk of a sea breeze or easterly winds and resulting cooler temperatures here in the east coast, although it would probably still be sunny in the afternoons once any low cloud or haar was burned away, and I imagine that it could then be the west of Scotland which stood the best chance of seeing those really high temperatures which I described earlier.

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
David M Porter
11 July 2017 22:04:40

It will be interesting to see what the odds are of this upcoming heatwave as seen by the models (especially by the GFS) lasting for long enough for the odd location in southern Scotland to be challenging the 30C mark at some point in in time. What got me thinking about that, is that here in Edinburgh, we had 28C during the very end of the spring, and that tells me that it shouldn't be completely impossible to get at 30C temperature during this summer even though our weather has been so dire during this summer so far.

I know that it is very rare for us to get 30C in this part of the world, but that has happened on the odd occasion in the past and the 28C which we had in May isn't that far short of that. Having said that, I think that it will take quite a massive heatwave to beat the 28C which we had in May, but I don't think that we can rule that out altogether if the models are right about this coming heatwave. Our highest temperature of the summer currently stands at 25C, and that is certainly beatable.

For that happen here, we need to have the right synoptics with the area of high pressure being virtually right on top of us and producing some really good weather, but just far enough to our east or south to cut of those cooling sea breezes and allow some really hot air to be brought up from the south. Whether that ends up happening is another matter but I fear that even if the GFS is right, that area of high pressure might just be a wee bit to the north of us if anything, which puts us at a greater risk of a sea breeze or easterly winds and resulting cooler temperatures here in the east coast, although it would probably still be sunny in the afternoons once any low cloud or haar was burned away, and I imagine that it could then be the west of Scotland which stood the best chance of seeing those really high temperatures which I described earlier.

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


30C was reached somewhere in Scotland in 2003 (the August heatwave) and in 1995, and I'm pretty sure it happened in at least one of the good summers we had in the 80's. It quite possibly happened in 1976 as well given the prolonged summer heat that year.


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David M Porter
11 July 2017 22:11:14


Again a strong signal for high pressure to ridge towards Scandi with high pressure extending all the way down to the Azores. Such a scenario favours a longer warm spell because any source of cool air to the continent is cut off. The warm air building across the channel could then get caught up in the high.


Looks very similar to the early part of August 1997, though still a way to go yet. Fascinating output though.


Originally Posted by: yorkshirelad89 


Looks more like early August 1995 to me. I'll need to delve back into the WZ archive charts for that time to be sure, but from what I remember from looking at them in the past, the set-up back then (Azores High connecting with one over Scandi) is very similar to what is being suggested for next week.


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johncs2016
11 July 2017 22:31:39


 


30C was reached somewhere in Scotland in 2003 (the August heatwave) and in 1995, and I'm pretty sure it happened in at least one of the good summers we had in the 80's. It quite possibly happened in 1976 as well given the prolonged summer heat that year.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


According to Wikipedia, the highest recorded temperature in Edinburgh was 31.4C at what was then called Turnhouse Airport (nowadays, that is just Edinburgh Airport) on Monday 4 August 1975. My local Met Office weather station is at the Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh and there, we came very close to recording 30C in 2009 when a temperature of 29.9C was recorded on Thursday 2 July 2009, and that wasn't a particularly great summer (as you may well guess from the fact that we were generally in a colder phase than where we are just now, with those two really cold winters which then followed in 2009 and 2010).


Scotland's highest ever temperature was 32.9C at Greycrook in the Scottish Borders on Saturday 9 August 2003. We can see that two of those figures are well above the 30C. I don't actually expect any of those records to be beaten or even challenged, but it will be interesting to see how close we get to that with this upcoming heatwave if it happens.


 


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moomin75
11 July 2017 22:53:55
Charts are taking on a very 1976 extended dry look now. Today's welcome rainfall may be the last we see for a considerable period. What a fantastic summer we are having down here.
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Matty H
11 July 2017 23:16:33

Charts are taking on a very 1976 extended dry look now. Today's welcome rainfall may be the last we see for a considerable period. What a fantastic summer we are having down here.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


whats even better is you were constantly writing it off several weeks back. Your track record remains consistent through winter and summer at least  


Astonishing output really given the incredible weather we've already had this summer. I cannot get enough of this. 


moomin75
11 July 2017 23:37:57


 


 


whats even better is you were constantly writing it off several weeks back. Your track record remains consistent through winter and summer at least  


Astonishing output really given the incredible weather we've already had this summer. I cannot get enough of this. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

A bit harsh Matty. I didn't write the summer off. I was commenting on some poor charts but as you have said many times Lrfs are pretty futile.


This is a cracker of a summer so far and I think the same as you about our preferences.


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TimS
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12 July 2017 06:14:57


 


Looks more like early August 1995 to me. I'll need to delve back into the WZ archive charts for that time to be sure, but from what I remember from looking at them in the past, the set-up back then (Azores High connecting with one over Scandi) is very similar to what is being suggested for next week.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes, the week at end of July / start of August, when we managed 35C in Cambridgshire.


One of my favourite country file week ahead forecasts that Sunday, from Michael Fish: "well if you don't like hot weather you're not going to like this week". Almost up there with McCaskill's "a grim week" in Feb 1991 for misjudging the mood of the nation's weather lovers.


 


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speckledjim
12 July 2017 06:53:46
As welcome as the rain was over the last couple of days I'm pleased that we're back to the Summer that most of us have been experiencing i.e. dry and warm. Even Scotland and Leek, Staffordshire doesn't look too bad over the coming days and perhaps we'll all tap into some of the hot weather that potentially may be in the offing.
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Saint Snow
12 July 2017 08:14:07

As welcome as the rain was over the last couple of days I'm pleased that we're back to the Summer that most of us have been experiencing i.e. dry and warm. Even Scotland and Leek, Staffordshire doesn't look too bad over the coming days and perhaps we'll all tap into some of the hot weather that potentially may be in the offing.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Despite some cheery posts by me recently, I've got to say that in NW England we're about to enter one of those spells where we're more under the influence of the crap from the north than the summer of the south. After today, we're looking at spells of showers/light rain overnight Thur into Fri, then again for much of Sat morning into afternoon, then once more on Sat night.


Looks like bucking up after that, although without much in the way of heat.


 



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Sharp Green Fox
12 July 2017 09:48:30
This summer I have found the BBC to be very conservative (small c) in their weather predictions. For example on their app for my location last week they had every day, from 3rd day in, at 20 degrees and cloudy. Not reliable at all beyond 48 hours.
Brian Gaze
12 July 2017 10:20:05

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Russwirral
12 July 2017 10:41:53
Next week looks to have another warm up / heat up on the cards. This would make it the 5th or 6th plume of this year so far.

This summer continues to offer great weather.

So what if we get the odd rainy day like yesterday. Its great for the garden and for outdoor exercise.
Rob K
12 July 2017 11:19:21
GFS 06Z looking not quite so settled as the 00Z. Hopefully just a blip and not the start of a wobble.
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Brian Gaze
12 July 2017 12:09:40

Nice bactrian pattern on the GEFS06z next week.



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12 July 2017 12:35:40


Nice bactrian pattern on the GEFS06z next week.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looks like a W-E relief map of the Scottish highlands to me.


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Rob K
12 July 2017 13:07:56


Nice bactrian pattern on the GEFS06z next week.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


P16 turns up the heat nicely!


 



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Hungry Tiger
12 July 2017 13:26:28


 


 


P16 turns up the heat nicely!


 



Originally Posted by: Rob K 



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TimS
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12 July 2017 13:48:16
Where do you get those GEFS charts from? I'd like to know what P16 does for max temps in France, as I think P16 would bring record temperatures there.
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cultman1
12 July 2017 13:52:35
Bactrian ? Please can you kindly explain this weather term for me ? Thank you
Rob K
12 July 2017 14:16:35

Bactrian ? Please can you kindly explain this weather term for me ? Thank you

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactrian_camel 


 


Tim S: go to the TWO charts page and then select GEFS and you can select each perturbation. Under "variable for run" at the left choose 2m max temp.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


 


 


Doesn't look like TWO covers any more of France but Meteociel shows 36C+ widely over France even at 8pm local time!


 



 


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