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bledur
06 August 2018 07:31:36


The 12z runs have generally "downgraded" the unsettled spell in southern counties. GFS12z op run suggests very little rain here in the next 10 days.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes , but that happened before the rain on the 29 th July. The original prediction turned out to be correct for this area yet wavered on amounts in runs afterwards.


 With a high possibility of a deep depression approaching from the s.w. Friday Saturday, i think amounts will rise.

soperman
06 August 2018 08:24:54

Well, the output is evolving to bring a continuing summer for Southern Counties during August - the wettest summer month! Plenty of summertime weather to come here with some ''changeable'' interludes and welcome rain but far from unsettled.


It does look like an unsettled picture may develop for the North though.


We were at a wedding in Slane this weekend and it was refreshing that the temps were 10 degrees cooler with cloudy skies in the morning and sun in the afternoon. The green valleys and hills of Ireland remain ''green''


 

Downpour
06 August 2018 08:56:47


The 12z runs have generally "downgraded" the unsettled spell in southern counties. GFS12z op run suggests very little rain here in the next 10 days.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Dry and warm weather is the form horse this summer. Whatever the summer haters may wish for. 


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doctormog
06 August 2018 09:27:00
One day people will realise what we wish for and what the models show and the weather is will be are not connected or dependent on each other. I doubt it will be any time soon though! I wish for endless blue skies and sunshine but what the models show is a very warm to hot first part of the week in the south becoming closer to average with the risk of showers or rain.

The best weather in terms of warmth and dryness will (continue) be the further SE you go. Pleasant for much of the time, as is the norm in the SE in summer. What it won’t be is hot and anticyclonic throughout and some parts that really need the rain will likely get some.
Retron
06 August 2018 09:32:19

One day people will realise what we wish for and what the models show and the weather is will be are not connected or dependent on each other. I doubt it will be any time soon though! I wish for endless blue skies and sunshine but what the models show is a very warm to hot first part of the week in the south becoming closer to average with the risk of showers or rain.

The best weather in terms of warmth and dryness will (continue) be the further SE you go. Pleasant for much of the time, as is the norm in the SE in summer. What it won’t be is hot and anticyclonic throughout and some parts that really need the rain will likely get some.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Indeed, I'd like it to be fresh (as in single-figure dewpoints), breezy and with patchy cloud through the summer, with temperatures preferably in the low 20s at most. If I'm lucky, I might get as many as 10 days like that per season.


As you say, no matter what we want the models are all that we have to go on. Downpour would do well to note the old adage, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results" and alhough it's often the case that patterns persist and repeat, sooner or later something changes.


Talking of change, not much to be seen in the models really. Down here EPS is showing near-average temperatrues once the heatwave ends tomorrow and that extends all the way out to the 20th. The suite doesn't reach 30C at all now, although one member does come close!


https://weather.us/forecast/2643743-london/ensemble/euro/temperature


GEFS, meanwhile, shows temperatures gradually rising from below- to slightly above-average over the course of the 12 days from Wednesday.


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&ext=1&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3


Neither show any great sign of temperatures reaching what we've had down here recently, so as I've been saying for a while now heat fans should make the most of today and tomorrow! "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", and so on.


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warrenb
06 August 2018 09:59:41
The weather down here is clearly set fair with lovely temps.
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06 August 2018 10:06:27

One day people will realise what we wish for and what the models show and the weather is will be are not connected or dependent on each other. I doubt it will be any time soon though! I wish for endless blue skies and sunshine but what the models show is a very warm to hot first part of the week in the south becoming closer to average with the risk of showers or rain.

The best weather in terms of warmth and dryness will (continue) be the further SE you go. Pleasant for much of the time, as is the norm in the SE in summer. What it won’t be is hot and anticyclonic throughout and some parts that really need the rain will likely get some.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Agree with what you’re saying and your interpretation of the model runs. 


However, I think some posters were just reacting to a handful of people who were writing off the rest of the summer and stating this would be the last hot spell of the season. It may well be the last hot spell, however as we all know, the extended outlook can and does change at relatively short notice. Small, incremental adjustments in the model output can manifest possible big changes in surface conditions over a period of time. So, as long as there is consistency in the outputs showing a further rebuilding of Azores ridging into the UK after the weekend, then who knows what that could mean in 10 days time? 


Yes, the deeper into August we go, the less solar energy we get and 30c becomes that little bit harder to achieve. However, SST’s also increase into early Autumn and the European continental landmass continues to heat up. 


All I think some people are objecting to is a certain weather event being “written off”. We all know the models aren’t CURRENTLY showing hot weather, however that doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t show something hotter again before the summer is over. 


Personally, as a heat lover, and living in the SE I’ll be more than happy with sunshine and mid-20s. 


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doctormog
06 August 2018 10:10:32
Yes, you’re absolutely right Dan and I am certainly not writing off summer yet. In fact I would not be surprised to see the temperatures back into the 30s in coming weeks in the south. (Before anyone asks that is nothing a forecasts!)
The Beast from the East
06 August 2018 10:11:47

Saturday looking wet, though perhaps the far SE will escape the worst


 


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marco 79
06 August 2018 10:52:58
Increasing signs of heat rebuilding in the South from 7/8 day's time.on the 06z..ridging through Europe throwing up some 15c uppers by day 10/11...all a long way out....but trends...
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White Meadows
06 August 2018 12:44:28

Increasing signs of heat rebuilding in the South from 7/8 day's time.on the 06z..ridging through Europe throwing up some 15c uppers by day 10/11...all a long way out....but trends...

Originally Posted by: marco 79 


But I thought summer was over? ..At least going by a few posts here over the weekend 😆

bledur
06 August 2018 13:06:56


 


But I thought summer was over? ..At least going by a few posts here over the weekend 😆


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 John Hammond says it is virtually over, regarding long, hot dry spells unlikely to get very hot again this year. More sort of average . I am not in a position to disagree with that. 


 As far as i can see Models struggle with a marked change in type of weather either showing continued unsettled weather or settled weather and i mean long term spells. by the weekend it might be clearer if that is your lot regarding heat or more to come.


 


 

superteacher
06 August 2018 13:18:45


 


 John Hammond says it is virtually over, regarding long, hot dry spells unlikely to get very hot again this year. More sort of average . I am not in a position to disagree with that. 


 As far as i can see Models struggle with a marked change in type of weather either showing continued unsettled weather or settled weather and i mean long term spells. by the weekend it might be clearer if that is your lot regarding heat or more to come.


 


 


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


Of course it becomes more unlikely that very hot weather will return as the month progresses. He's literally only stating a statistical fact there!


He may be right, but I wouldn't be too sure.

warrenb
06 August 2018 16:27:23
GFS looks like a rinse and repeat of the last breakdown, some cooler days then warming up again in the south.
Rob K
06 August 2018 17:15:52
Up in the Dales it was pretty hot yesterday even above 1200ft. I was out on a bike ride for 7 hours and have some interesting tan lines! Fresher today and the forecast is for a steady drop in temps to maxes of 15C by the end of the week. Hoping for some more warmth down south later next week.
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Downpour
06 August 2018 17:40:06


 


 John Hammond says it is virtually over, regarding long, hot dry spells unlikely to get very hot again this year. More sort of average . I am not in a position to disagree with that. 


 As far as i can see Models struggle with a marked change in type of weather either showing continued unsettled weather or settled weather and i mean long term spells. by the weekend it might be clearer if that is your lot regarding heat or more to come.


 


 


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


And Hammond, just like the many hopecasters on here, has no real idea. The hottest days ever in the U.K. were set in August, a month in which the continent warms up throughout. Yet listening to several posters on here (and it happens every year) you’d think that it was an autumn month. One reason why I use US-style/astronomical seasons is because summers can and do roll well into September. Indeed, September can often be the best month of the summer. 


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Arcus
06 August 2018 19:08:20
Meanwhile in the world of the models, ECM seems to be pretty unsettled into the weekend for most, and if FI is to be believed continues this unsettled theme (albeit warm on the 850s) with transient riding from the Azores High being under threat from lows dialling in from the NW.
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White Meadows
06 August 2018 19:34:57

Meanwhile in the world of the models, ECM seems to be pretty unsettled into the weekend for most, and if FI is to be believed continues this unsettled theme (albeit warm on the 850s) with transient riding from the Azores High being under threat from lows dialling in from the NW.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Id say it ends on the cusp of something very pleasant, at least for the majority:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=240&run=12&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0


 


 


 


 

doctormog
06 August 2018 19:35:39

Meanwhile in the world of the models, ECM seems to be pretty unsettled into the weekend for most, and if FI is to be believed continues this unsettled theme (albeit warm on the 850s) with transient riding from the Azores High being under threat from lows dialling in from the NW.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Indeed, not awful and never overly cool but much more unsettled and “normal” compared with what we have/had. Perhaps the promise of something more summery at the end too.


Roonie
06 August 2018 19:38:55


 


Indeed, not awful and never overly cool but much more unsettled and “normal” compared with what we have/had. Perhaps the promise of something more summery at the end too.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


A perfect summary of the ECM run.



Still Lurking.......

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Phil 2804
06 August 2018 20:40:04


 


Indeed, not awful and never overly cool but much more unsettled and “normal” compared with what we have/had. Perhaps the promise of something more summery at the end too.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Perhaps like 2006 with a relatively disappointing August followed by a glorious warm and sunny September. Although atm August 2018 is miles ahead of 2006. 

JACKO4EVER
06 August 2018 21:21:23
Well with my long planned camping trip starting on Saturday, We will need to take our wellingtons and waterproofs. Evidence enough that even out of the furnace of a roasting spell of weather, the Jacko clan will manage to pull the worst week of summer out of the bag as per tradition.

Some things I suppose never change ,,,,
Rob K
06 August 2018 21:26:06


 


Indeed, not awful and never overly cool but much more unsettled and “normal” compared with what we have/had. Perhaps the promise of something more summery at the end too.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Im going to be in Devon for the second half of next week and would take that ECM 12Z with both hands compared to some recent output. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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White Meadows
06 August 2018 21:44:39

Well with my long planned camping trip starting on Saturday, We will need to take our wellingtons and waterproofs. Evidence enough that even out of the furnace of a roasting spell of weather, the Jacko clan will manage to pull the worst week of summer out of the bag as per tradition.

Some things I suppose never change ,,,,

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Cheer up Jacko, at least it will be mild 🌻

The Beast from the East
06 August 2018 22:48:03

GFS 18z looks hot returning for the south at least, perhaps back to 30


 


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