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JACKO4EVER
31 January 2020 17:35:56


 


I recall similar dire predictions 20-odd years ago when the term ‘Bartlett’ first came to prominence.


Sadly the trend is clear but there’s still lots of potential for severe cold, maybe just not as intense or long-lasting.


I would be surprised if we get through to April without the weather doing a bit of evening out.  That’s just me thinking the pattern can’t run on continuously for 4 months.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


sadly Gandalf, in this new warming weather era, I would think it easily possible for the pattern to continue, though I understand where your coming from. 

nsrobins
31 January 2020 18:52:55

To spread a bit of cheer on this dank, drizzly Brexity evening, the CFS is trying it’s hardest to deliver the goods - a real deal of an easterly late Feb:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=534&code=0&carte=0&mode=0&run=10


 


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marting
31 January 2020 18:57:12

The GFS ensemble snow rows building nicely for a valentine snow opportunity up here in the North West (capital of send us your potentially ill Coronavirus imports!)


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tallyho_83
31 January 2020 19:39:01

Look how positive the AO is going!? - almost off the scale, all thanks to colder strat temps.



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Brian Gaze
31 January 2020 20:00:43

Now looks like a blend of what ECM and GFS were showing a couple of days ago. More often than not is the case.  


 



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BJBlake
31 January 2020 20:16:11


To spread a bit of cheer on this dank, drizzly Brexity evening, the CFS is trying it’s hardest to deliver the goods - a real deal of an easterly late Feb:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=534&code=0&carte=0&mode=0&run=10


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


oh ho Ho, that is a sight for sore eyes, what a classic of 1991 standard or better, yes that'll warm the cockles without resorting to the Highland Park and Drambui, oh yes - do very nicely....


of course it's deep into FI to the power 2-3, and then some, but actually, take a second look at the GFS, theirs a high building over the North Atlantic at the end of the run, FI to the power 1; and a string of lows that once past the. U.K. Look ripe to send us a dose of artic air, so it's  of such a massive leap to suggest this scenario, and at would indeed balance things out as much a soft penalty after a red card for the other team.


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BJBlake
31 January 2020 20:20:26
Not such a massive leap - I meant (auto text fail) D'oh!
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ballamar
31 January 2020 22:43:52
Aberdeen wiped off the map at 264 on the GFS
doctormog
31 January 2020 22:46:55

Aberdeen wiped off the map at 264 on the GFS

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


And a serious amount of snow further west on that chart (but naturally just rain here!) and only 11 days out too. 


ballamar
31 January 2020 23:03:02


 


And a serious amount of snow further west on that chart (but naturally just rain here!) and only 11 days out too. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


very stormy outlook loads of potential for some fun weather!

ARTzeman
31 January 2020 23:20:40

Do we have a chart for Brexit... 






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BJBlake
31 January 2020 23:30:59


Do we have a chart for Brexit... 


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Anticyclonic gloom?


Or Opportjunity knocks?


who the hell really knows...


its like predicting the jet... 


I would take the public vote on who wants to be a millionaire on that one,


ill cintent myself with the dreams of the CFS really long range - may be it will happen...hope so....


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BJBlake
31 January 2020 23:33:45
I am certainly not celebrating the charts or the exit!! Let's see what tomorrow brings- sounds like a song!!
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Andy Woodcock
31 January 2020 23:35:32
Welcome to Brexit Britain, the land of the Eternal Bartlett.
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The Beast from the East
01 February 2020 00:37:47

Welcome to Brexit Britain, the land of the Eternal Bartlett.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


I prefer to call it the Merkelslug


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JACKO4EVER
01 February 2020 06:38:31
Well if this overall general pattern does progress through Spring and into Summer then I can see Europe having some wicked heat waves.
A few straws to clutch for colder weather fans but some hints at a stormy spell of weather- something to watch.
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01 February 2020 06:48:08


To spread a bit of cheer on this dank, drizzly Brexity evening, the CFS is trying it’s hardest to deliver the goods - a real deal of an easterly late Feb:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=534&code=0&carte=0&mode=0&run=10


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


If you didn't look at it last night (and it was certainly worth having a drool over) , forget it. This morning it's back to a raging Atlantic


 


Anyway, that was T+600 -back to the here and now; and it's just the same as yesterday; westerlies, ridge of HP midweek, really stormy Mon 10th - Wed 12th (945mb Rockall on Tue) and gales continuing through to the following weekend. Cold enough for a big dump of snow on the Scottish mountains above maybe 500m and southern Norway looks as if mountains there are due for 2 to 3m  http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4


ECM starts the stormy sequence a bit earlier (940 mb Shetland Sun 9th) and has more of a long fetch NWly with a 'master' depression than the localised LPs of GFS.


GEFS temps below normal around the 4th, above normal around the 7th, and dry; then the rain sets in to end of run on Mon 17th with temps up and down on any given run but overall averaging near normal (Scotland a fraction cooler and rain there noticeably concentrated in the W). Postage stamp charts out to T+384 cooler than they have been (more greens than yellows) but nothing seriously cold (blues)


 


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BJBlake
01 February 2020 08:49:10


 


If you didn't look at it last night (and it was certainly worth having a drool over) , forget it. This morning it's back to a raging Atlantic


 


Anyway, that was T+600 -back to the here and now; and it's just the same as yesterday; westerlies, ridge of HP midweek, really stormy Mon 10th - Wed 12th (945mb Rockall on Tue) and gales continuing through to the following weekend. Cold enough for a big dump of snow on the Scottish mountains above maybe 500m and southern Norway looks as if mountains there are due for 2 to 3m  http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4


ECM starts the stormy sequence a bit earlier (940 mb Shetland Sun 9th) and has more of a long fetch NWly with a 'master' depression than the localised LPs of GFS.


GEFS temps below normal around the e4th, above normal around the 7th, and dry; then the rain sets in to end of run on Mon 17th with temps up and down on any given run but overall averaging near normal (Scotland a fraction cooler and rain there noticeably concentrated in the W). Postage stamp charts out to T+384 cooler than they have been (more greens than yellows) but nothing seriously cold (blues)


 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


good summary DEW,


msrobins' link was certainly a druel fest last night - but what an illusionist it turned out to be looking at this mornings boredom special...


yes - some action weather certainly for the next 10 - but not a whisper of a zonal interrupt.....even the tea leaves have dried up...


need a change in the QBO now....


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David M Porter
01 February 2020 09:31:05


 


good summary DEW,


msrobins' link was certainly a druel fest last night - but what an illusionist it turned out to be looking at this mornings boredom special...


yes - some action weather certainly for the next 10 - but not a whisper of a zonal interrupt.....even the tea leaves have dried up...


need a change in the QBO now....


And a Magician.


Originally Posted by: BJBlake 


Does anyone know when this is due to take place? I think I recall someone saying pre-Christmas that this was due to happen at the end of the winter/start of the spring, but my memory could be inaccurate.



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David M Porter
01 February 2020 09:52:37


 


I recall similar dire predictions 20-odd years ago when the term ‘Bartlett’ first came to prominence.


Sadly the trend is clear but there’s still lots of potential for severe cold, maybe just not as intense or long-lasting.


I would be surprised if we get through to April without the weather doing a bit of evening out.  That’s just me thinking the pattern can’t run on continuously for 4 months.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


On the point in bold, December 2010 IMO more than proved on its own that we can still get long lasting spells of notable or even exceptional cold in this country which are comparable with those from pre-late 1980s. And that was only a year after a winter which saw the coldest December (2009) in Scotland for almost 30 years.


The first winter I spent as a member of this forum was 2006/07, which I clearly recall was just as bad for coldies as this one has been. I am willing to bet my mortgage that back at that time, virtually no-one on this forum or in the wider public really thought that at the turn of the decade, we would have two winters back-to-back which saw month-long spells of severe cold which I reckon some of us thought were pretty well consigned to the history books.


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nsrobins
01 February 2020 10:23:39
The emphasis once again on the potential for one or more episodes of high-end cyclogenesis going into next weekend with such an extreme temperature contrast in the W Atlantic and a strong jet along 50N.
It’s not about cold but all about wind.
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idj20
01 February 2020 11:21:48

The emphasis once again on the potential for one or more episodes of high-end cyclogenesis going into next weekend with such an extreme temperature contrast in the W Atlantic and a strong jet along 50N.
It’s not about cold but all about wind.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Just when this so called "winter" couldn't get any worse.

At around 240 hrs it is a long way off in forecasting terms but the GFS has been trending with the idea of a period of storminess during the second week of February in quite a few runs now so it's starting to be a matter of not if but when with some tweaks. 
  While it is still worth being hopeful of the whole thing being shunted northwards or downgraded as we get nearer to the timeframe, the sad thing is this kind of scenario has a far better chance of coming off from that range than an easterly set up from 96 hours away, that's the nature of our mid-latitude climate. 


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fairweather
01 February 2020 11:48:35


 


On the point in bold, December 2010 IMO more than proved on its own that we can still get long lasting spells of notable or even exceptional cold in this country which are comparable with those from pre-late 1980s. And that was only a year after a winter which saw the coldest December (2009) in Scotland for almost 30 years.


The first winter I spent as a member of this forum was 2006/07, which I clearly recall was just as bad for coldies as this one has been. I am willing to bet my mortgage that back at that time, virtually no-one on this forum or in the wider public really thought that at the turn of the decade, we would have two winters back-to-back which saw month-long spells of severe cold which I reckon some of us thought were pretty well consigned to the history books.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I think the pattern will continue with a background of mostly mild winters but still with the "freak" extreme cold blips every 20-30 years although I suspect even their severity will be less as with 2009-2010. What I miss down here is having so many winters with not even a few light falls or snow showers around in the air from time to time.


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ballamar
01 February 2020 16:19:44
Could be a nasty slingshot of a low
www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_177_1.png
ballamar
01 February 2020 16:46:06
PV split attempt on GFS at least a bit of interest in the charts

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