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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 19:10:14


Matt Hancock trying very hard to explain why we must adhere to the rules and stay at home, while failing miserable to address the issues surrounding construction. The advise in coming into direct conflict with reality.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I don't get this - why should construction be shutdown across the board? Surely site visits could ascertain whether social distancing is sufficient and the transport to work rules sorted out.


If we shutdown the entire economy, the long term effects could be worse for the general population than the effects of the virus. Shield our most vulnerable for sure, but don't shutdown the entire economy - that is utter madness.


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 19:12:35


 


Some of the analysis of the data from the cruise ship talks about viral load. The idea being that the greater exposure to the virus the more severe the illness. I've read about this in a few different sources. If there is something in it, it would mean that although you could catch the virus from touching a contaminated surface the virus load would be tiny meaning you would be much more likely to have a mild illness. 


It could also explain why so many medics on the front line have suffered so badly, given they are exposed to a much bigger viral load.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


That confirms reports from many places - but does a mild infection from slight exposure confer immunity? Would be good news if it did.


So many unknowns about this virus at the moment.


New world order coming.
speckledjim
24 March 2020 19:17:50


 


I don't get this - why should construction be shutdown across the board? Surely site visits could ascertain whether social distancing is sufficient and the transport to work rules sorted out.


If we shutdown the entire economy, the long term effects could be worse for the general population than the effects of the virus. Shield our most vulnerable for sure, but don't shutdown the entire economy - that is utter madness.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Exactly, if the vulnerables do what has been asked of them then they will be safe and we can get through this without damaging the economy anymore than it needs to be.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 19:21:17


 


I don't get this - why should construction be shutdown across the board? Surely site visits could ascertain whether social distancing is sufficient and the transport to work rules sorted out.


If we shutdown the entire economy, the long term effects could be worse for the general population than the effects of the virus. Shield our most vulnerable for sure, but don't shutdown the entire economy - that is utter madness.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Your starting to sound like Trump.


Its been made clear today that you can’t adhere to social distancing rules on a building site. I know plenty of builders who have made this clear to me today. 

The economy will recover.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Saint Snow
24 March 2020 19:21:22


 


I don't get this - why should construction be shutdown across the board? Surely site visits could ascertain whether social distancing is sufficient and the transport to work rules sorted out.


If we shutdown the entire economy, the long term effects could be worse for the general population than the effects of the virus. Shield our most vulnerable for sure, but don't shutdown the entire economy - that is utter madness.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


The problem isn't apparent in the regions but, as has widely been pointed out on social media and highlighted by Heavy W, thousands of construction workers travelling across London in public transport every morning, very closely mingling with essential workers (especially NHS staff). 


I tend to agree that under certain circumstances and with specific safeguards imposed, construction should continue. 


Perhaps, given the massive drop in normal traffic levels, the could relax the congestion charge and parking restrictions to allow more construction workers to drive in, removing a burden from public transport. 



Martin
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John Mason
24 March 2020 19:24:37


 


Exactly, if the vulnerables do what has been asked of them then they will be safe and we can get through this without damaging the economy anymore than it needs to be.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Anyone putting this crazy economy (no longer remotely fit for purpose) above the progression of this outbreak is, likewise, no longer fit for purpose. Vast revision is going to be required.

Ulric
24 March 2020 19:25:36

but don't shutdown the entire economy - that is utter madness.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You're so unselfconscious. I'm just stunned.


"As soon as we abandon our own reason, and are content to rely on authority, there is no end to our troubles." - Bertrand Russell
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Saint Snow
24 March 2020 19:27:49


The government have bought 3.5million blood test kits to detect antibodies to test NHS staff and other key workers to see whether they have had the virus they'll be available within weeks.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Nowhere near enough. Should be looking at 50x or even 100x that. Charge if necessary, and issue a certificate (in tandem with a national database) to prove a person has had it and can get on with their lives and help return the economy to a more normal footing.


 



Martin
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 19:28:33


 


 


The problem isn't apparent in the regions but, as has widely been pointed out on social media and highlighted by Heavy W, thousands of construction workers travelling across London in public transport every morning, very closely mingling with essential workers (especially NHS staff). 


I tend to agree that under certain circumstances and with specific safeguards imposed, construction should continue. 


Perhaps, given the massive drop in normal traffic levels, the could relax the congestion charge and parking restrictions to allow more construction workers to drive in, removing a burden from public transport. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Agreed. Look, the transport issue needs to be resolved first and foremost and if it means halting construction until then so be it.


Equally, each site and work place should be properly accessed to ensure appropriate guidelines are followed - if they can’t be followed they should be closed.


We’ve had government text messages today pushing home the message to stay at home and only leave if you have to. Not all these construction sites are that urgent surely.


The government are either treating this a public health issue or they are not. Construction workers who have family’s shouldnt be stuck in the middle. They want to look after their and their family’s health. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Essan
24 March 2020 19:38:27


 If our imports are reduced people will raid the countryside much more than they do now.


Originally Posted by: NMA 



Well, we all have guns and are expert shots. And have abattoirs for butchering cows, so .....




Andy
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Phil G
24 March 2020 19:41:58


 


Some of the analysis of the data from the cruise ship talks about viral load. The idea being that the greater exposure to the virus the more severe the illness. I've read about this in a few different sources. If there is something in it, it would mean that although you could catch the virus from touching a contaminated surface the virus load would be tiny meaning you would be much more likely to have a mild illness. 


It could also explain why so many medics on the front line have suffered so badly, given they are exposed to a much bigger viral load.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Seems that people get various symptoms. Is it possible there are slightly different strains that affect people in different ways? When someone is exposed too much to all of these strains, could this be the deadly 'cocktail'?

DEW
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24 March 2020 19:42:11


I'm sure they will try to exploit the Coronavirus issue.


"I'm calling on behalf of HM Government. You are aware of the new law to deal with Coronavirus. It gives us special powers to install some special software on your computer so that we can collect important information about the Coronavirus."


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Trading Standards say there are people who would be pleased to help recover money arising from cancelled holidays.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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springsunshine
24 March 2020 19:45:49


 


Exactly, if the vulnerables do what has been asked of them then they will be safe and we can get through this without damaging the economy anymore than it needs to be.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Agree to! This is causing massive economic damage and potentially ruining millions of lives.Im afraid Trump has a point in that the cure cannot be worse than the disease! The economy can and must get back up and running at full capacity as soon as the numbers of cases starts to reduce whilst  keeping in place measures protecting those most at risk.

moomin75
24 March 2020 19:46:48
Hi everyone.
Thought I would give you an update on my friend, who is critical in hospital.
He has been brought out of an induced coma today and is still critically ill. But the fact that the doctors have brought him out of a coma is at least a tiny piece of positive news. He remains gravely ill and remains ventilated and is battling severe pneumonia, brought on by Covid-19.
He is young, and he is fighting like the trooper he is, but he still needs prayers and a lot of medical intervention.
With every day that goes past, I look at that as the tiniest of hopes, but until we are told of a general improvement in his condition, he remains in a very bad way.
Please keeps sending your thoughts to me. I am so grateful for all the private messages, which I have passed on to his wife and family.

Thanks again.
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Saint Snow
24 March 2020 19:50:13


Genuine question:

Why have the government closed golf courses and not building sites?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


I don't think there's a problem with people playing at golf courses, the nature of the game dictates social distancing (especially if you play like me!).


But the image of golfers and golf clubs is one of middle class managers & sales people, and with all other sports suspended, the govt is probably wary of how making a special case for golf would be viewed by many.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Bugglesgate
24 March 2020 19:53:51


 


 


I don't think there's a problem with people playing at golf courses, the nature of the game dictates social distancing (especially if you play like me!).


But the image of golfers and golf clubs is one of middle class managers & sales people, and with all other sports suspended, the govt is probably wary of how making a special case for golf would be viewed by many.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 



And me !  I'm usually miles away  looking for  my  ruddy ball in long grass  - while everyone else is putting away on the green !


 


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bledur
24 March 2020 19:55:11


 


If our imports are reduced people will raid the countryside much more than they do now.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


 There is plenty of beef , lamb and pork and chicken  in this country. Pork and chicken  is very quick to produce , lamb we have plenty as a lot is exported but does not have to be if the market is here. Beef there is also plenty. Deer need culling so no problem there. 

RobN
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24 March 2020 19:55:25

Went for our permitted family constitutional walk this pm. Lots of people about, running, walking, cycling. They were all giving everyone they passed a cheery greeting whilst still managing to looking very wary, and sidestepping round each other. It all reminded me so much of episodes of The Prisoner when Patrick McGoohan ventures out into the Village.


Rob
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JHutch
24 March 2020 20:00:05


 


 


The problem isn't apparent in the regions but, as has widely been pointed out on social media and highlighted by Heavy W, thousands of construction workers travelling across London in public transport every morning, very closely mingling with essential workers (especially NHS staff). 


I tend to agree that under certain circumstances and with specific safeguards imposed, construction should continue. 


Perhaps, given the massive drop in normal traffic levels, the could relax the congestion charge and parking restrictions to allow more construction workers to drive in, removing a burden from public transport. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Congestion charge has been dropped until further notice.


https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-transport-london-congestion-charge-suspended-ulez-lez-a9418356.html


 

Darren S
24 March 2020 20:01:24


 


Perhaps, given the massive drop in normal traffic levels, the could relax the congestion charge and parking restrictions to allow more construction workers to drive in, removing a burden from public transport. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Congestion charge was cancelled as of yesterday. 


https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-transport-london-congestion-charge-suspended-ulez-lez-a9418356.html


Still costs a fortune to park in London, though!


Darren
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bledur
24 March 2020 20:01:43


 


Your starting to sound like Trump.


Its been made clear today that you can’t adhere to social distancing rules on a building site. I know plenty of builders who have made this clear to me today. 

The economy will recover.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

This is Bob,s advice


Image result for bob the builder rude

picturesareme
24 March 2020 20:10:37


 


That confirms reports from many places - but does a mild infection from slight exposure confer immunity? Would be good news if it did.


So many unknowns about this virus at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

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A virus will multiply in the body until its ready to shed.. once its ready to shed you become symptomatic.


How much you initially recieved shouldn't matter how ill you become later. 


It's quite common to be infected with multiple viruses, and that is where i suspect those frontline medics become worse off.


Could you imagine being infected with multiple Coronaviruses and influenza at the same time? Also worth remembering those at the frontline won't be getting much rest or proper nutrition so their body's will be run down.

Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 20:11:29


 


You're so unselfconscious. I'm just stunned.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Assuming you are referring to Brexit, that does not mean shutting down the entire economy and it will readily adapt over time. As an optimist on that score, I see Brexit as an opportunity, not a threat.


Shutting down the economy for corona virus is an unmitigated threat however - even in Norway unemployment is shooting up, reaching an estimated 10.75% of the working population today.


My preferred approach to corona virus would have been to close our borders to infected regions and to quarantine everyone coming in, citizen and non-citizen alike - with full testing and contact tracing as in South Korea. But our political masters decided to keep the airports and ports open, to let people go on their skiing holidays and late winter sun holidays and cruises, so we are where we are, with endemic community transmission. Given that, surely the best approach is to ensure as far as possible that people who would most likely need hospitalisation if infected are isolated from the rest of the community to both preserve their lives and to ease pressures on the hospitals, whilst allowing within reason the economy to function as best it can without a total shutdown. That means those who can work from home do so and those who can't still go to work, with as many safeguards as it is possible and reasonable to put in place.


 


New world order coming.
Steve
24 March 2020 20:15:58


Went for a cycle this afternoon and it was great, perfect weather and mostly empty roads and paths. I had a (distant) chat with 2 people, a builder I know who seemed to love the whole thing. No traffic, perfect weather and he didn't have many cancellations so far. He and his crew wear masks and gloves and (apparently) they get rid of them every day.


There was a police car at a (usually) busy junction and I noticed a hot copper so I talked to her and asked how are things going in the area. She said still early days, but almost everyone behaves so far. They only had a call to disperse a group of teenagers, but even they complied.


PS. Another positive to come on Sunday, we move on from the annoying GMT.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It would be good if they made an exception this year going from GMT to BST. Perhaps they could put the clocks forward by 4 months rather than 1 hour ?

Gusty
24 March 2020 20:16:18

The construction industry is huge. As a civil engineer project manager working on behalf of Highways England for road infrastructure improvement schemes I fall into the category of 'key worker'.


In all honesty many of my schemes could easily be demobilised, left safe and picked back up again in a few months....but no we're told to carry on regardless.


A change in thinking is needed and fast.


There is a lot more that can be done to tame this.


 


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