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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 20:19:17


The construction industry is huge. As a civil engineer project manager working on behalf of Highways England for road infrastructure improvement schemes I fall into the category of 'key worker'.


In all honesty many of my schemes could easily be demobilised, left safe and picked back up again in a few months....but no we're told to carry on regardless.


A change in thinking is needed and fast.


There is a lot more that can be done to tame this.


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


On the other hand, don't you see the opportunity provided to get on with key infrastructure maintenance and development for road and rail, whilst the network is extremely quiet?


 


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 20:23:05


 


On the other hand, don't you see the opportunity provided to get on with key infrastructure maintenance and development for road and rail, whilst the network is extremely quiet?


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


At what cost? Is a risk to someone’s life genuinely worth the risk?


 


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Gusty
24 March 2020 20:24:48


 On the other hand, don't you see the opportunity provided to get on with key infrastructure maintenance and development for road and rail, whilst the network is extremely quiet?


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Some elements of essential maintenance ie repair of potholes etc ?...yes.


Large scale construction projects using vast amounts of supply chain, materials and multiple resources... No (that can wait a while).


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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 20:26:43


 


At what cost? Is a risk to someone’s life genuinely worth the risk?


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Given what we know, most of those working on the ground doing construction work will be pretty youthful and physically fit - therefore, they should not be at much risk of suffering from the worst effects of the virus. Those who do fall into more vulnerable categories, should self isolate on the 80% 20% pay rule in any case. The other key thing about those still going to work, such as construction workers, is that they obey the rules of not mixing with other family members who are in the vulnerable groups.


It can be managed with some discipline and foresight. On the other hand, there has never been a better time (in terms of disruption) for getting on with road and rail projects.


New world order coming.
Gavin D
24 March 2020 20:33:05

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 1,427 (+460)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03)

  • Total UK deaths - 422 (+87)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Hampshire: 207

  2. Lambeth: 188

  3. Birmingham: 187

  4. Southwark: 181

  5. Brent: 170

  6. Wandsworth: 155

  7. Westminster: 143

  8. Hertfordshire: 139

  9. Harrow: 134

  10. Sheffield: 130


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 1

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 2

  • Hartlepool: 3

  • Darlington: 3

  • North East Lincolnshire: 3

  • Bracknell Forest: 3

  • Isle of Wight: 3


Regional data



  • London - 2,872 (+439)

  • Midlands - 1,074 (+266)

  • South East - 751 (+161)

  • North West - 593 (+97)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 426 (+92)

  • East of England - 429 (+78)

  • South West - 345 (+67)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today.

Darren S
24 March 2020 20:34:06

The case totals have been updated at https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/ and I'm sure Gavin D will be along soon to give the Top 10, etc.


Just looking at the differences from yesterday, the jumps are by no means across the board; there seem to be some LAs with big jumps and many others staying the same. For example:


Berkshire seems to be almost free of new cases (maybe our hospitals aren't testing?):
Wokingham 13 (n/c)
Bracknell 3 (n/c)
Reading 8 (n/c)
Windsor & Maidenhead 13 (n/c)
Slough 22 (n/c)
West Berkshire 12 (+2)


Meanwhile, big jumps elsewhere:
Surrey 110 (+41)
Hampshire 207 (+36)
West Sussex 52 (+24)
East Sussex 21 (+10)
Brighton 25 (+8)
Hertfordshire 139 (+24)
Gloucestershire 49 (+17)
Birmingham 187 (+50)
Lambeth 188 (+54)
Croydon 128 (+43)


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RobN
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24 March 2020 20:42:58

We are quite acquiescent to the idea that medical staff in this epidemic should put their lives at serious risk to save other lives. And the medical staff accept this.


To prevent the economy from complete collapse, and thus ultimately save a lot more lives down the line because with a shattered economy many, many people will also die unnecessarily, is it unreasonable to ask some people to take a lesser risk?


In the past, in the face of existential threats, the country was quite happy to send hundreds of thousands of young men to their almost certain deaths.


I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I'm just posing the questions.


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Ulric
24 March 2020 20:43:29
Apparently UK not participating in EU efforts to procure medical supplies.
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Bugglesgate
24 March 2020 20:45:16


 


Given what we know, most of those working on the ground doing construction work will be pretty youthful and physically fit - therefore, they should not be at much risk of suffering from the worst effects of the virus. Those who do fall into more vulnerable categories, should self isolate on the 80% 20% pay rule in any case. The other key thing about those still going to work, such as construction workers, is that they obey the rules of not mixing with other family members who are in the vulnerable groups.


It can be managed with some discipline and foresight. On the other hand, there has never been a better time (in terms of disruption) for getting on with road and rail projects.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Well the "geezers" currently  putting in my neighbour's kitchen don't seem too fussed by Social Distancing.  When I went for my perambulation this afternoon, they were "hob nobbing" in  group, only a few inches apart and  made it very difficult for me to give them a wide berth. No masks, gloves or anything - but I doubt they even use use them when using an angle grinder on concrete


 


 


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xioni2
24 March 2020 20:46:06

Hi everyone.
Thought I would give you an update on my friend, who is critical in hospital.
He has been brought out of an induced coma today and is still critically ill. But the fact that the doctors have brought him out of a coma is at least a tiny piece of positive news. He remains gravely ill and remains ventilated and is battling severe pneumonia, brought on by Covid-19.
He is young, and he is fighting like the trooper he is, but he still needs prayers and a lot of medical intervention.
With every day that goes past, I look at that as the tiniest of hopes, but until we are told of a general improvement in his condition, he remains in a very bad way.
Please keeps sending your thoughts to me. I am so grateful for all the private messages, which I have passed on to his wife and family.

Thanks again.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


If it's any consolation, the stats from Italy suggest that your friend will make it after a prolonged period in the ICU.


Best wishes

RobN
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24 March 2020 20:58:57


 


 


Well the "geezers" currently  putting in my neighbour's kitchen don't seem too fussed by Social Distancing.  When I went for my perambulation this afternoon, they were "hob nobbing" in  group, only a few inches apart and  made it very difficult for me to give them a wide berth. No masks, gloves or anything - but I doubt they even use use them when using an angle grinder on concrete


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


A disdain if not ignorance of risk is part of that culture. A house across the road from ours has just had the roof replaced. None of the guys working on it were wearing any hardhats or other PPE from the moment they started erecting the scaffolding to the end of the job, even though they were lobbing and catching heavy tools and materials thrown from the top of the scaffolding to the ground and vice versa. I don't know if they have employer's liability insurance but it would be surprising if it paid out if one of them had his skull crushed by a falling scaffolding truss.


Rob
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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 20:59:35

This demonstrates the risk Liverpool was placed in when Atletico Madrid came with supporters the other week:


"The largest island in Estonia is at the heart of the Baltic state’s coronavirus outbreak, with 114 of the country’s 369 cases.


The outbreak in Saaremaa is thought to have begun when an Italian volleyball team from Milan played a local club at the beginning of March.


The island, which has a population of 33,000, has spent the past 10 days sealed off from the rest of Estonia."


 


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 21:00:12

The antibody test kits apparently aren't British. They are from South Korea and China. Spain has already taken a shipment of 640,000.


The news from Health Secretary Matt Hancock that the UK has now purchased 3.5 million of these tests is especially welcome as the death toll grows. This week Spain also took delivery of 640,000 test kits, thought to be of a similar kind, from China and South Korea. They will be used on healthcare professionals first. 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52013888


 


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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 21:01:32

Apparently UK not participating in EU efforts to procure medical supplies.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


According to the BBC news, France is already running out of key medicines.


According to Matt Hancock, the UK is well placed because of stockpiles accumulated during plans for a possible No Deal Brexit.


No idea whether we have sufficient, those are just statements which have been made.


New world order coming.
howham
24 March 2020 21:06:56
Imagine if a country's leader died from this. Rumours that Bolsonaro may well have been tested positive for the virus.
Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 21:15:25

It's the Sun (various sources reporting it) but this looks important:


1) SCIENTISTS believe they have found 40 mutations of coronavirus - and say seven cases can be traced back to a single football match in England.
The mutations were discovered by analysing swabs of Covid-19 patients in Iceland - where almost 600 cases have been reported so far.


2) Some 5,000 volunteers who did not have any symptoms joined the study – 48 of whom actually tested positive*.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11245475/scientists-40-mutations-coronavirus-traced-english-football-match/


 


- To me it suggests we are a LONG way from herd immunity. *although on second thoughts not clear if they were antibody testing 


- With that many mutations in circulation I wonder how effective a vaccine would be? 


 


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roadrunnerajn
24 March 2020 21:16:23

Here’s a situation. 


My Daughter bought her ticket to fly back to the UK from Taiwan this morning. The flight was via Hong Kong as of 4hrs ago Hong Kong has changed its rules and anybody landing must isolate for 14 days even if you are transiting through the airport. 
The only option is to buy yet another ticket to flight straight back to the UK on the last flight out of Taiwan on China Air. What a mess. This will cost her £2,500 in total.


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KevBrads1
24 March 2020 21:18:01

Imagine if a country's leader died from this. Rumours that Bolsonaro may well have been tested positive for the virus.

Originally Posted by: howham 


Would Trump be that much of a loss to the USA?


He is clueless, he thinks this will be licked by Easter with churches full of people celebrating it and eveybody  back to work.


 


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xioni2
24 March 2020 21:20:48

Imagine if a country's leader died from this. Rumours that Bolsonaro may well have been tested positive for the virus.

Originally Posted by: howham 


In some countries that'd be a big progress! Trump, for example, is probably the worst leader you can have for such a crisis.

Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 21:23:43


It's the Sun (various sources reporting it) but this looks important:


1) SCIENTISTS believe they have found 40 mutations of coronavirus - and say seven cases can be traced back to a single football match in England.
The mutations were discovered by analysing swabs of Covid-19 patients in Iceland - where almost 600 cases have been reported so far.


2) Some 5,000 volunteers who did not have any symptoms joined the study – 48 of whom actually tested positive*.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11245475/scientists-40-mutations-coronavirus-traced-english-football-match/


 


- To me it suggests we are a LONG way from herd immunity. *although on second thoughts not clear if they were antibody testing 


- With that many mutations in circulation I wonder how effective a vaccine would be? 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


There can be no effective long term vaccine for a corona virus, that is part of the problem - otherwise we would have developed a vaccine for the common cold instead.


What has happened with the common cold (which is caused by a constantly mutating corona virus) is that humans have learned to tolerate it, even if they don't like the effects. As I have written previously, native Americans lacked any resistance to European diseases and after the Spanish arrived, their numbers were completely decimated.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/how-europeans-brought-sickness-new-world


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/11/european-diseases-left-genetic-mark-native-americans


 


 


New world order coming.
Essan
24 March 2020 21:24:18

PS. Another positive to come on Sunday, we move on from the annoying GMT.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



Given that the only real reason for the switch from GMT to the very annoying (espcially for us weather folk) to Bloody Silly Time is to allow bankers in the SE to play tennis till midnight, maybe now is the time to finally end this archaic practice and remain on real time all year round?

Though I suppose at least this year many of us wont suffer the ill effects of the change since it no longer matters when we wake!


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Quantum
24 March 2020 21:27:12




Given that the only real reason for the switch from GMT to the very annoying (espcially for us weather folk) to Bloody Silly Time is to allow bankers in the SE to play tennis till midnight, maybe now is the time to finally end this archaic practice and remain on real time all year round?

Though I suppose at least this year many of us wont suffer the ill effects of the change since it no longer matters when we wake!


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Might make my 5am runs difficult.


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 21:31:31

Powerful stuff from Cuomo. 


Coronavirus spreading in New York like 'a bullet train'


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has pleaded for medical supplies, warning Covid-19 is spreading in his state faster than "a bullet train".


"The apex is higher than we thought and the apex is sooner than we thought," Mr Cuomo told reporters on Tuesday.


He said the federal government was not sending enough equipment to combat the crisis, noting the state needs 30,000 ventilators.


New York now has over 25,000 confirmed virus cases and at least 210 deaths.


The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday the US could become the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic.


"We are now seeing a very large acceleration in cases in the US. So it does have that potential," WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris said.


Mr Cuomo's warning comes as President Donald Trump suggested having the US back in business by early next month.


"We need federal help and we need the federal help now," Mr Cuomo said.


"New York is the canary in the coal mine, New York is happening first, what is happening to New York will happen to California and Illinois, it is just a matter of time."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52012048


 


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SJV
24 March 2020 21:31:46


 


Might make my 5am runs difficult.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Eat more fiber? 

Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 21:35:18


 


There can be no effective long term vaccine for a corona virus, that is part of the problem - otherwise we would have developed a vaccine for the common cold instead.


What has happened with the common cold (which is caused by a constantly mutating corona virus) is that humans have learned to tolerate it, even if they don't like the effects. As I have written previously, native Americans lacked any resistance to European diseases and after the Spanish arrived, their numbers were completely decimated.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/how-europeans-brought-sickness-new-world


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/11/european-diseases-left-genetic-mark-native-americans


 


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes. It's not a pleasing prospect. I still think no one really knows how this will develop.


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