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xioni2
02 April 2020 20:47:40

I see that Ireland will follow the WHO guidelines and the examples set by Asian countries and will introduce a large contact tracing programme with more than a thousand civil servants redeployed.


Phil G
02 April 2020 20:47:52


I don't know your political allegiance, but I'm struck how many Tory-leaning posters are sticking their heads up their arses and refusing to hold this cretinous government to account, whilst blesting about it not being the right time to play a blame game.


Remarkable partisanship on display. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


What a very disappointing post. In these times I cannot believe there are still political comments being made, where politics, Brexit etc doesn't mean anything. A very insensitive post. Yes there will a post morteum after the country controls this horrible virus, just as I am sure there will be in every other country.Beggars belief you can bring politics up but since you have whilst there are already mistakes to learn from, I am just so grateful Corbyn and Labour are not at the helm. It does not bear thinking about.

Phil G
02 April 2020 20:56:56
Surprised there has been no comment, unless I have missed it on the BBC leaving the update Q&A just before six for the weather. Bearing in mind they were showing their 'News Special' from 3.45 as a build up to the update. Yes it was late but to leave it then and not let it go into the six o'clock news was unbelievable. Any inquests on that?
Bugglesgate
02 April 2020 20:57:19


 


Criticism should be relative though. Relative to issues seen elsewhere. By all means Criticise the failings that the government can reasonably control as well as the bullshitting, but some of the other stuff like PPE and other supplies just simply isn’t under their full control.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 



Yes, when the basic ingredient   for something (reagents)  or commodity items (face masks)   are subject to massive international   demand  it's hardly the Govt's   fault that they struggle to get the quantities they want immediately "off the shelf".


I'm far from being a Tory but I've been quite impressed by some of the things this Govt has done - putting up hospitals in that time frame and   putting in measures to bolster  the economy  to try and stave off the kind of economic meltdown we are now seeing in the US for instance.


In all honesty I haven't currently got the mindset to inclination to engage in petty political bullshit  .... or to listen to those who have !


 


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Lionel Hutz
02 April 2020 20:57:52


I see that Ireland will follow the WHO guidelines and the examples set by Asian countries and will introduce a large contact tracing programme with more than a thousand civil servants redeployed.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


That's the plan, at least. I suppose that that is what we need to do not just to deal with the current situation but for the next phase too. The number of cases will be down substantially by the end of this month. Hopefully, there can be some easing back of restrictions at that point. However, it will be essential that a lid is kept on all new cases, even if the numbers are (hopefully) much smaller. 


Our testing needs improvement, though. Very variable with 2,500 today but 1,500 on some days recently having been higher again other days.


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westv
02 April 2020 21:04:41


 


 


"The study - conducted in laboratory conditions - found that coughs can project liquid up to 6m away and that sneezes, which involve much higher speeds, can reach up to 8m away."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52126735


https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/30/coronavirus-social-distancing-mit-researcher-lydia-bourouiba-27-feet/5091526002/


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Doesn't this assume a person sneezes or coughs directly into the air without using a sleeve or tissue? You would like to think that hardly anybody would do that.


At least it will be mild!
Phil G
02 April 2020 21:13:54


 


Doesn't this assume a person sneezes or coughs directly into the air without using a sleeve or tissue? You would like to think that hardly anybody would do that.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I know its comparing gas against heavier droplets but when you see someone vaping and the outflow from this like a steam train, makes you wonder just what's blowing around further than expected.

Polar Low
02 April 2020 21:17:08

found this


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-far-and-how-fast-a-sneeze-carries-contagious-germs


They found the average sneeze or cough can send around 100,000 contagious germs into the air at speeds up to 100 miles per hour.




 


I know its comparing gas against heavier droplets but when you see someone vaping and the outflow from this like a steam train, makes you wonder just what's blowing around further than expected.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

Bugglesgate
02 April 2020 21:18:48


 


I know its comparing gas against heavier droplets but when you see someone vaping and the outflow from this like a steam train, makes you wonder just what's blowing around further than expected.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


Indeed.  If  the thing was relying on people sneezing  / coughing directly at one another to  propagate, I don't think it would spread very far or fast. I still think picking the thing up from surfaces is the main way it's spreading  but I'm keeping an open mind about  it being carried  on breath at close quarters.


 


 


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02 April 2020 21:24:51


 


 


Indeed.  If  the thing was relying on people sneezing  / coughing directly at one another to  propagate, I don't think it would spread very far or fast. I still think picking the thing up from surfaces is the main way it's spreading  but I'm keeping an open mind about  it being carried  on breath at close quarters.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


There's a lot of conflicting information about this at the moment.It is hard to know what to believe.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/no-proof-coronavirus-can-spread-shopping-says-leading-german/


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xioni2
02 April 2020 21:28:09

In the cumulative chart of deaths, we have now passed Italy at the same point of the outbreak.


Saint Snow
02 April 2020 21:29:08


 


 



Yes, when the basic ingredient   for something (reagents)  or commodity items (face masks)   are subject to massive international   demand  it's hardly the Govt's   fault that they struggle to get the quantities they want immediately "off the shelf".


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 


And yet, South Korea, Germany, Italy (belatedly) and other countries have all been running massively more tests than us.


Germany 10x as many.


One major problem for the NHS is the management/bean-counter mentality of just foing enough to cope and keep it from collapse; allowing no slack during normal times. 


When stress is exerted, it is unable to cope properly, and only kept afloat by the dedication of staff to work unpaid hours and without even basic equipment. I appreciate this current crisis is exceptional, but we witness the we witness the very same problems, on a smaller scale, every recent winter.


So whilst you might not want to look at how we can address the core problem for the future, because it is political, I'm aghast that people are shrugging their shoulders and letting this band of lying  opportunist shysters continue their programme of ineptitude. 



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KevBrads1
02 April 2020 21:32:11
Just watching the White House briefing.

And you got the President and the Vice President standing next to each other! Unbelievable.
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Saint Snow
02 April 2020 21:33:14

I also wouldn't be too optimistic about the economic impact. I went cold today when reading the economic forecast by the credit insurance division of Allianz. 


I'm just hoping the government uses QEesy money to fund its bailout measures and doesn't load it onto the national debt. I'd be prepared to take a few years hit of big inflation; at least it would decrease the real value of my mortgage. 



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JHutch
02 April 2020 21:36:16


 


There's a lot of conflicting information about this at the moment.It is hard to know what to believe.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/no-proof-coronavirus-can-spread-shopping-says-leading-german/


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Indeed. Has there been a breakdown by occupation of people affected? If a lot of shopworkers/hairdressers (to use the occupations listed before the paywall appears) are affected then that may give us clues about the risks of different activities/contact. With a lot of shopworkers using face masks/having protective screens between themselves and the customers, that might make the stats harder to analyse for cases arising from the current time onwards.


Have seen a couple of cases where choirs have been involved. I guess that involves standing close to a lot of people and taking deep breaths which is a good way to catch airborne particles from someone else. (although also just the meeting of a lot of people would likely be a factor too)


Edit: Of course, sadly we have had some breakdown by occupation - healthcare staff are some of the people most likely to get a serious case of coronavirus - 15% of people in intensive care in Spain are front line healthworkers/medics.

Tom Oxon
02 April 2020 21:36:53


 


 


And yet, South Korea, Germany, Italy (belatedly) and other countries have all been running massively more tests than us.


Germany 10x as many.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Perhaps they hit the supply chain before us and that's why there's a shortage?


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westv
02 April 2020 21:38:41


  


Is your tagline therefore your guess at the severity of your covid should you be infected ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


Originally Posted by: glenogle 



At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
02 April 2020 21:39:41


 


 


Perhaps they hit the supply chain before us and that's why there's a shortage?


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


 


So their governments had better foresight?


That's not really it. Germany has devoted huge resources to testing labs; that's why they're able to test so many. Meanwhile here, it's always about penny-pinching.



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JHutch
02 April 2020 21:52:29

Angela Rayner is out of bed today about a week after being struck down with coronavirus.

Lionel Hutz
02 April 2020 22:14:25


 


Indeed. Has there been a breakdown by occupation of people affected? If a lot of shopworkers/hairdressers (to use the occupations listed before the paywall appears) are affected then that may give us clues about the risks of different activities/contact. With a lot of shopworkers using face masks/having protective screens between themselves and the customers, that might make the stats harder to analyse for cases arising from the current time onwards.


Have seen a couple of cases where choirs have been involved. I guess that involves standing close to a lot of people and taking deep breaths which is a good way to catch airborne particles from someone else. (although also just the meeting of a lot of people would likely be a factor too)


Edit: Of course, sadly we have had some breakdown by occupation - healthcare staff are some of the people most likely to get a serious case of coronavirus - 15% of people in intensive care in Spain are front line healthworkers/medics.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


I would be very curious to know whether shop workers have a higher infection rate than the general public. It's an important question. If they're not more infected than the rest of us, surely that's a commentary on modes of transmission?


On a related topic, where I live, nearly all shops now have a perspex screen between the customer and the shop assistant. These all seem to have been installed more or over a single weekend, the weekend before last. I am curious to know if this has been put in in other areas. 


Lionel Hutz
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Rob K
02 April 2020 22:25:18


To be honest Rob that’s a good point I was in a queue outside a supermarket and several metres away some bloke was using a vapour it seemed to travel many metres in the wind it did make me realise to stay as far away as possible.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


The bloke at the end of my road was jet washing his driveway the other day when I walked past on the other side of the road. I could hear him coughing and then the mist of spray from his jet washer drifted over me. Probably quite an effective way of increasing your spreading range!


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Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 22:31:28


In the cumulative chart of deaths, we have now passed Italy at the same point of the outbreak.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The experts have been saying we will not follow Italy. They may well be right but at the moment the plot says otherwise. Very worrying.


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Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 22:33:05

UK coronavirus test centre sits empty as NHS trusts send swabs to GERMANY — because results come back quicker


Public Health England (PHE) facilities can take up to four days to test samples, say sources.


But German labs are flying in and processing swabs on the same day. NHS staff then get their results just two days later.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11316235/uk-coronavirus-tests-going-to-germany/


 


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Rob K
02 April 2020 22:35:23
One thing I am curious about with the death stats is the overall number of deaths from any cause. How much is that going up? Surely that is a better measure of the seriousness of the outbreak: the โ€œexcess death rateโ€?

A bit of googling suggests that the average death rate in the UK is about 600,000 a year which is about 1,650 per day. So a naive reading of the current COVID-19 death toll is that itโ€™s an extra third on top of the normal death rate, which sounds horrendous. But of course a significant proportion of those deaths would likely have happened from other causes anyway.

I suspect the true picture wonโ€™t be known until the annual mortality figures are collated.
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JHutch
02 April 2020 22:50:49

One thing I am curious about with the death stats is the overall number of deaths from any cause. How much is that going up? Surely that is a better measure of the seriousness of the outbreak: the “excess death rate”?

A bit of googling suggests that the average death rate in the UK is about 600,000 a year which is about 1,650 per day. So a naive reading of the current COVID-19 death toll is that it’s an extra third on top of the normal death rate, which sounds horrendous. But of course a significant proportion of those deaths would likely have happened from other causes anyway.

I suspect the true picture won’t be known until the annual mortality figures are collated.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Can see weekly total deaths at the link below - last completed week is the one up to 20 March. The table 'Weekly figures 2020' has a row showing the 5 year average for each week.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales


The deaths from covid in the week up to 20 March 2020 were 103 so there will be a bigger effect in the coming weeks - 10,000 is the approximate number of deaths per week.


Although some people may have died in the coming weeks, there may well be others who are relatively fit and well before suffering covid-19 who don't die of it but end up in a very poor state after it and end up dying later on from another illness which they may otherwise have shrugged off. No idea of the numbers on that though.

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