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Gavin D
02 April 2020 14:37:04
The British Horse racing Authority have suspended racing for a further 12 weeks
Bertwhistle
02 April 2020 14:41:57


 


You're not serious are you? Here are the stats from the last week. I expected the number of deaths today to be lower than yesterday.


(Number of deaths) +/- change


(181) +72
(260) +71
(209) -51
(180) -29
(381) +181
(563) +182
(569) +6


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


181 to 260 is +79 not +71 and 180 to 381 is + 201 not 181.


Not number semantics, but important in mapping trends and relative trend. So the +201 is the biggest acceleration so far.


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Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 15:07:27


 


181 to 260 is +79 not +71 and 180 to 381 is + 201 not 181.


Not number semantics, but important in mapping trends and relative trend. So the +201 is the biggest acceleration so far.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Thanks for correcting. 


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Darren S
02 April 2020 15:07:45


Can someone look at this. Have the BBC confused their numbers?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


They partly agree with this for England and Wales (has now been updated):


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14


However the report you have quoted has 50 too many for Scotland and 6 too many for NI; coincidentally, the numbers they quote as increases.


According to the dashboard above and what it said yesterday, it should be


Scotland 76 (+16)
NI 30 (+2)


The figures for Wales and England agree.


Darren
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llamedos
02 April 2020 15:08:00


 



And the heatwave next week should also help kill it off. Hopefully we can start lifting the lockdown by the end of the month and get the pubs and shops open again!


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Remember what you were cautioned for before? No excuse for flippancy is there ?


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Perthite1
02 April 2020 15:19:49
From the interview I have seen with Dr Peter Hotez, he believes the virus is impacting younger people in Western countries than it did in Asia. It's not a case of a mutation of the virus it's just that our genetics are causing a greater impact at a younger age for some reason. The virus is having a big impact on the lungs and causing scarring, though over time nearly all people will recover if they survive the initial pneumonia. We have to hope a vaccination is found as soon as possible. Realistically that's 12-18 months away.
The Beast from the East
02 April 2020 15:24:43

From the interview I have seen with Dr Peter Hotez, he believes the virus is impacting younger people in Western countries than it did in Asia. It's not a case of a mutation of the virus it's just that our genetics are causing a greater impact at a younger age for some reason. The virus is having a big impact on the lungs and causing scarring, though over time nearly all people will recover if they survive the initial pneumonia. We have to hope a vaccination is found as soon as possible. Realistically that's 12-18 months away.

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 


But the 13 year old who died was African origin, not Caucasian and many of the deaths in London and Birmingham are also from immigrant origin community


 


 


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Maunder Minimum
02 April 2020 15:31:58


 


But the 13 year old who died was African origin, not Caucasian and many of the deaths in London and Birmingham are also from immigrant origin community


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Partly for cultural reasons - talking to my son-in-law the GP, he says social distancing is not something that some communities find easy or tolerable.


 


 


New world order coming.
David M Porter
02 April 2020 15:32:58


 


So around the time of the Cheltenham Fesitval. I usually give a few quotes to the press about the weather prospects for Cheltenham. My name or website then appears in a paper or online. People then Google me or the website and land on TWO and my business makes money. This year I thought it was a disgrace that Cheltenham  was going ahead. Therefore, I issued nothing to the media and didn't publish anything on TWO about it. If the potential was clear 3 weeks ago why wasn't the UK government taking more action? Prudence and caution suggest they should have been doing more at an earlier stage. Sorry, but the UK response has been poor.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Good post, Brian, agree 100%.


As I have said before, in my view the government should have started tacking action on the threat posed to this country by COVID-19 two months ago, by which time it was know for a fact that it had reached England. If they had taken the steps during Febuary that MM, myself and others have spoken about in previous threads, the government may well have found that the task of trying to contain the spread of the virus through the UK a bit easier to do.


Even when they finally did go more public about the virus in early March, they still acted too slow. My own view is that the restriction wrt what can and cannot be done in public should have come in at the start of March and not a fortnight later. Yes, the virus would still have spread and people would very likely have still died very sadly, but earlier action may well have saved some people from getting the virus and have saved some lives.


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fairweather
02 April 2020 15:34:45


 


Your worried about the pubs opening after another 569 people died? 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Plus there isn't exactly much evidence from Spain and Italy that it 19C is going to really bother it!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 15:38:23

From the interview I have seen with Dr Peter Hotez, he believes the virus is impacting younger people in Western countries than it did in Asia. It's not a case of a mutation of the virus it's just that our genetics are causing a greater impact at a younger age for some reason. The virus is having a big impact on the lungs and causing scarring, though over time nearly all people will recover if they survive the initial pneumonia. We have to hope a vaccination is found as soon as possible. Realistically that's 12-18 months away.

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 


The worst thing about C19 is the uncertainty. If I catch a cold or flu I have a good idea what to expect and can be very confident I will recover fully within a couple of weeks or so. With C19 it feels as though you are playing Russian Roulette. I say that from the point of view of someone who has just turned 50 and has no diagnosed underlying medical conditions. I'm not particularly susceptible to infections or illnesses and my parents both had good innings. But still... 


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fairweather
02 April 2020 15:40:12


​Health Secretary to ramp up tests to 100,000 per day




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Health Secretary Matt Hancock is set to announce a major escalation in the UK's testing of coronavirus cases. He is set to announce a "five point plan" later this afternoon which aims to increase testing capacity to 100,000 per day. Mr Hancock said he will be "pressing the accelerator" on the UK's testing capacity - amid criticism over the slow pace of testing so far.





https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-tells-of-sad-day-as/


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I'm afraid there is little correlation between what Hancock says and what actually happens down the line. Always just an optimistic promise that isn't delivered.


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westv
02 April 2020 15:45:20


 


The worst thing about C19 is the uncertainty. If I catch a cold or flu I have a good idea what to expect and can be very confident I will recover fully within a couple of weeks or so. With C19 it feels as though you are playing Russian Roulette. I say that from the point of view of someone who has just turned 50 and has no diagnosed underlying medical conditions. I'm not particularly susceptible to infections or illnesses and my parents both had good innings. But still... 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm 57 with no underlying conditions but I don't have any worries about the virus affect on me if I catch it.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
02 April 2020 15:46:01

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 4,244 (-80)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03) - Data will be updated in due course a new system is in development.

  • Total UK deaths - 2,921 (+569)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 852

  2. Hampshire: 699

  3. Surrey: 618

  4. Sheffield: 602

  5. Hertfordshire: 582

  6. Brent: 559

  7. Kent: 531

  8. Essex: 517

  9. Southwark: 516

  10. Cumbria: 512


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 5

  • Isle of Wight: 17

  • Hartlepool: 17

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 18

  • North Lincolnshire: 23

  • North East Lincolnshire: 24

  • Blackpool: 28

  • Darlington: 30

  • Bracknell Forest: 36

  • York: 36


Regional data



  • London - 9,291 (+950) 

  • Midlands - 4,694 (+555) 

  • South East - 3,392 (+284) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 3,269 (+440) 

  • North West - 3,066 (+653) 

  • East of England - 2,233 (+392) 

  • South West - 1,254 (+169) 


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.

nouska
02 April 2020 15:46:05

From the interview I have seen with Dr Peter Hotez, he believes the virus is impacting younger people in Western countries than it did in Asia. It's not a case of a mutation of the virus it's just that our genetics are causing a greater impact at a younger age for some reason. The virus is having a big impact on the lungs and causing scarring, though over time nearly all people will recover if they survive the initial pneumonia. We have to hope a vaccination is found as soon as possible. Realistically that's 12-18 months away.

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 


 


I saw a discussion on the fact that obesity would be an issue for the younger population of the US - not something witnessed much in China.


I don't know if anybody read the study link I posted yesterday: it posits that BCG vaccination regimes in different cultures seems to have a correlation with CFR. We'll find out how the trials of vaccination go in the European countries mentioned in this article.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/can-century-old-tb-vaccine-steel-immune-system-against-new-coronavirus

Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 15:47:37


 


I'm 57 with no underlying conditions but I don't have any worries about the virus affect on me if I catch it.


Originally Posted by: westv 


What makes you so certain?


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westv
02 April 2020 15:49:53


 


What makes you so certain?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A glass half full attitude.


At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
02 April 2020 15:50:13


 


 


I saw a discussion on the fact that obesity would be an issue for the younger population of the US - not something witnessed much in China.


I don't know if anybody read the study link I posted yesterday: it posits that BCG vaccination regimes in different cultures seems to have a correlation with CFR. We'll find out how the trials of vaccination go in the European countries mentioned in this article.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/can-century-old-tb-vaccine-steel-immune-system-against-new-coronavirus


Originally Posted by: nouska 


The correlation with obesity is apparently weak according to experts who have looked at the UK data. (I'm not obese in case you think I'm trying to dismiss it to feel better!!!)


Brian Gaze
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Bertwhistle
02 April 2020 15:54:07


Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 4,244 (-80)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03) - Data will be updated in due course a new system is in development.

  • Total UK deaths - 2,921 (+569)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 852

  2. Hampshire: 699

  3. Surrey: 618

  4. Sheffield: 602

  5. Hertfordshire: 582

  6. Brent: 559

  7. Kent: 531

  8. Essex: 517

  9. Southwark: 516

  10. Cumbria: 512


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 5

  • Isle of Wight: 17

  • Hartlepool: 17

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 18

  • North Lincolnshire: 23

  • North East Lincolnshire: 24

  • Blackpool: 28

  • Darlington: 30

  • Bracknell Forest: 36

  • York: 36


Regional data



  • London - 9,291 (+950) 

  • Midlands - 4,694 (+555) 

  • South East - 3,392 (+284) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 3,269 (+440) 

  • North West - 3,066 (+653) 

  • East of England - 2,233 (+392) 

  • South West - 1,254 (+169) 


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Thanks for the updates Gavin. Still have no idea where in Hants most cases are.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
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Bertwhistle
02 April 2020 15:58:19

For the last few days, I've been encouraged by a local populus respecting the situation. The roads have been almost as quiet as on snow days and I've barely seen anybody outside. Today, this seems to be changing and I can actually hear the traffic on the M3 sounding as if all were normal. Trucks and cars seem to be passing by more frequently, almost as if the lockdown is coming to an end and I am really concerned. BJ's team did warn of people wearing out their ability to maintain for long enough. 


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
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westv
02 April 2020 15:58:21

With almost everybody who is being interviewed on the news doing it from home I've never seen so many views up noses!


At least it will be mild!
Northern Sky
02 April 2020 16:02:25


 


What makes you so certain?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I feel exactly the same about this as you Brian. I'm in the same position - 50yrs old, no underlying health conditions (that I know of) reasonably fit and not overweight - but it still feels like a lottery. As numbers have increased so have the number of people dying with no health issues. Some of the recovery stories are pretty horrific too. 


I'd rather just not get the damn thing and I will do my best to avoid it, something that will become increasingly difficult when the lockdown eases and in particular when I return fully back to school. 

Darren S
02 April 2020 16:05:48


 


Thanks for the updates Gavin. Still have no idea where in Hants most cases are.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Hampshire is only the 55th most affected local authority in England (out of 149) when adjusted for population.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258


Darren
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South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
nouska
02 April 2020 16:05:50


 


The correlation with obesity is apparently weak according to experts who have looked at the UK data. (I'm not obese in case you think I'm trying to dismiss it to feel better!!!)


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I was referring to an American study but just did a quick google for UK data. 


Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.


(...)


The audit suggested that men are at much higher risk from the virus – seven in ten of all ICU patients were male, while 30% of men in critical care were under 60, compared to just 15% of women. Excess weight also appears to be a significant risk factor; over 70% of patients were overweight, obese or clinically obese on the body mass index scale.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate

The Beast from the East
02 April 2020 16:06:00


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