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westv
09 April 2020 09:11:10


 


That sounds ominous IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think it sounds more like they have nothing new to say.


At least it will be mild!
doctormog
09 April 2020 09:11:30


 


That sounds ominous IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


if he was doing “well” he wouldn’t be in ICU (or possibly even hospital). The line being used more widely this morning seems to be “improving”. 


People read a lot into the semantics when patient confidentiality means that the press don’t get told or leaked information directly. Time will tell but beyond official updates anything else is guesswork.


Edit: Also, what Victor says.


David M Porter
09 April 2020 09:14:29


This guy has it spot on IMO. He's specifically talking about theatres but it applies more widely. For example, I really can't see many people wanting to get on a jet airliner in the near future unless their travel is essential. So even after the lockdowns are eased there will continue to be huge problems.


London's theatres 'likely closed for months'
British theatres could need up to three months notice before they are able to reopen, the chair of the Arts Council has warned.


Speaking on the BBC's Today programme, Sir Nicholas Serota said some theatres could bounce back within a couple of weeks but others could take six times as long.


And even then, he warned: "It will take time to build back the audiences. I think people will not want to assemble in large numbers within a confined space”.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52225173


 




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I can well understand that. I reckon it will take many people quite a while to get over this psycologically, even those who manage to avoid contracting the illness and thus it will take a long while before many feel it is properly safe to gather in large groups again.


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09 April 2020 09:20:33

Passport Office staff are going back to work next week after they were told 80% of people would get Covid-19 in the end and "we can't hide away from it forever"

Up to 2,000 staff would be asked to go back in, with 500 in offices at any one time.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930



I wonder if that's quite how they phrased it but the sooner that fact sinks in the better.


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09 April 2020 09:22:39


 


Have the rules issued by the government changed in the last few days? If not why are they being asked to return to work? To me it sounds spiteful and petty. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm not sure what the problem with this is.


I assume the staff are still being paid.


Given the situation there's hardly likely to a rush for new passports so fewer staff will be needed. It will mostly be renewals I expect.


They are not asking all staff to go in so they can use social distancing rules.


It says "Passport Office staff have to handle documents and passports sent in from all over the world." But if they are quarantined for 3 days before handling what's the problem?


It seems to me just one of many possible sensible moves to to help get the country rolling again once restrictions are eased.


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09 April 2020 09:26:23


 


I had to go to Sainsbury's after work at 6.15pm yesterday. I gave up as the queue was massive


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Why hasn't Chichester got these queues? I've done two lots of weekly shopping, one Sainbury's, one Waitrose, and walked straight in to an empty store both times. Maybe time of day is important - mid to early afternoon. 


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llamedos
09 April 2020 09:45:38

OED has added some new words or definitions of words which have found everyday use as a result of the corona virus pandemic.


From the BBC:


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52219841


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Justin W
09 April 2020 09:55:32


Extraordinary. Guaranteed to wind up people who are already fed up with the lockdown and worried stiff about money. Beggars belief.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
doctormog
09 April 2020 09:57:23


OED has added some new words or definitions of words which have found everyday use as a result of the corona virus pandemic.


From the BBC:


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52219841


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Slightly connected to this, I thought that the term “social distancing” was a new one until I heard it mentioned in the film Contagion. By the look of things the WHO have used it since (at least) 2009.


https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/swineflu/PI_summary_low_resource_02_05_2009.pdf?ua=1 


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09 April 2020 10:03:01




Extraordinary. Guaranteed to wind up people who are already fed up with the lockdown and worried stiff about money. Beggars belief.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


This is breathtaking if true.


Ordinary mortals can claim a £6/week tax allowance - amounting to the princely sum of £62/year for a basic rate taxpayer.


https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis--working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus--claim-p6-wk-/


Rob
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Brian Gaze
09 April 2020 10:04:55




Extraordinary. Guaranteed to wind up people who are already fed up with the lockdown and worried stiff about money. Beggars belief.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Read about it in The Times this morning. It does beggar belief and shows how out of touch many of them are. 


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John Mason
09 April 2020 10:29:26

I think this long Easter weekend is going to be an utter shambles when combined with the lovely weather, in terms of lockdown adherence.
There needs to be a strong statement put out later - an address to the nation by the PM would have been ideal but obviously not possible.

I can already picture the scenes we will be seeing of picnics and beach goers.

Originally Posted by: John p 


 


If people want to distribute the following article around their social media, it would serve as a timely reminder. It's one of the best I've read on the topic of contagion and how it works and might stop a few folk in their tracks (and sorry if someone's already linked to it - I'm limiting my time on forums at the moment):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/the-cluster-effect-how-social-gatherings-were-rocket-fuel-for-coronavirus

Gavin D
09 April 2020 10:30:26
Spain have reported 4,226 new cases and 446 new deaths in the 12-hour overnight update
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09 April 2020 10:51:45


OED has added some new words or definitions of words which have found everyday use as a result of the corona virus pandemic.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Any offers for the best new word to describe the MP's £10000 'expenses' payment? Corocushion? I'm sure someone can come up with something pithy.


Anyway, this has most exceptionally prompted an email to my MP, particularly as our daughter has been expected to work from home with no extra expenses offered.


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Justin W
09 April 2020 10:54:57


 


Any offers for the best new word to describe the MP's £10000 'expenses' payment? Corocushion? I'm sure someone can come up with something pithy.


Anyway, this has most exceptionally prompted an email to my MP, particularly as our daughter has been expected to work from home with no extra expenses offered.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


It beggars belief, doesn't it?


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
fairweather
09 April 2020 11:00:42


 


Read about it in The Times this morning. It does beggar belief and shows how out of touch many of them are. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A bit like the professional footballers. They really don't help themselves do they.


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Saint Snow
09 April 2020 11:08:56

Greater Manchester Police reporting that they had to break up 660 parties in Gtr Manc alone between last Saturday and Tuesday, plus a further 295 gatherings in parks or to play sports.


One woman has been charged, after police had repeatedly shut down her party. 


Some parties have had DJs, bouncey castles and fireworks. 


I'm sure Gtr Manchester isn't unique here.


WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? THEY ARE UTTER SCUM.


I'd round all of them up - and include the rich arseholes having a nice Easter break in their second homes - knfect them all with CV19, and use them as guinea pigs to test new/experimental CV19 treatments and medicines.


Utter, utter scum.


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688#comment_138812292


 



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llamedos
09 April 2020 11:13:25


Greater Manchester Police reporting that they had to break up 660 parties in Gtr Manc alone between last Saturday and Tuesday, plus a further 295 gatherings in parks or to play sports.


One woman has been charged, after police had repeatedly shut down her party. 


Some parties have had DJs, bouncey castles and fireworks. 


I'm sure Gtr Manchester isn't unique here.


WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? THEY ARE UTTER SCUM.


I'd round all of them up - and include the rich arseholes having a nice Easter break in their second homes - knfect them all with CV19, and use them as guinea pigs to test new/experimental CV19 treatments and medicines.


Utter, utter scum.


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688#comment_138812292


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I read about this a short while ago....trying to come up with an expletive that accurately captures my current thoughts.


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haggishunter
09 April 2020 11:33:56




Extraordinary. Guaranteed to wind up people who are already fed up with the lockdown and worried stiff about money. Beggars belief.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Too many people think that MPs just lord it on fat pay topped up with expenses used to enrich themselves, most who rant the most have no idea off the extent of back offices and staffing required to support MPs in dealing with the many varied issues constituents go to their MP for help with.


I've along with several others have had meetings with several MPs and MSPs of all parties over the last few years about a regional issue in this part of the world, sometimes the meetings were easier to arrange as part of an open surgery in the constituency rather than at their office, and the number of people turning up to these was something of an eye opener. The office space, the IT equipment, the numerous staff all have to be paid for or the MP / MSPs can't provide that assistance in their constituencies.

Indeed my understanding is in quite a few cases far from enriching themselves on expenses, they are actually subsidising their office functions from their own salary to try and deal with the volume of casework, something which has been rising hugely since the roll-out of Universal Credit and will undoubtedly be on a steep upwards trajectory with many people facing hardship at this time. 

Retron
09 April 2020 11:37:36

Too many people think that MPs just lord it on fat pay topped up with expenses used to enrich themselves,

Originally Posted by: haggishunter 


Uh-huh. When you get people like my former MP, Derek Wyatt, claiming every penny they can because "they don't get paid enough", people's perceptions aren't going to improve. (He also famously claimed 79p for Scotch eggs from Tesco - odd, I can't claim for my lunch from work!)


Yes, there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes but my goodness, they really don't help their public image!


Leysdown, north Kent
Saint Snow
09 April 2020 11:44:36

In news that will surprise nobody, with over 100 deaths and rising, Liverpool is emerging as a CV19 hotspot.


The UEFA decision to force the club to host 3000+ Madrid fans as CV19 infections in Spain (especially in Madrid) were beginning to surge was and is a disgrace. And the city is now paying the price.


 


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/coronavirus-tracker-shows-liverpool-hotspot-18065093



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09 April 2020 11:50:44
Scotland have reported 81 new deaths. That’s up 11 on yesterday.

Ominous for the UK as a whole. 😞
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xioni2
09 April 2020 11:52:15


In news that will surprise nobody, with over 100 deaths and rising, Liverpool is emerging as a CV19 hotspot.


The UEFA decision to force the club to host 3000+ Madrid fans as CV19 infections in Spain (especially in Madrid) were beginning to surge was and is a disgrace. And the city is now paying the price.


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/coronavirus-tracker-shows-liverpool-hotspot-18065093


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


This is so sad and stupid. As I said at the time, future historians and TV documentaries will probably be using that together with images from Cheltenham and the Stereophonics gigs as typical of how Britain got it wrong.


Spain is also paying a heavy price for this stupidity


There is a lot of evidence in the scientific literature that mass events during epidemics accelerate them significantly. A lot of people might be dying now prematurely because of those events.


 

Brian Gaze
09 April 2020 11:54:17


In news that will surprise nobody, with over 100 deaths and rising, Liverpool is emerging as a CV19 hotspot.


The UEFA decision to force the club to host 3000+ Madrid fans as CV19 infections in Spain (especially in Madrid) were beginning to surge was and is a disgrace. And the city is now paying the price.


 


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/coronavirus-tracker-shows-liverpool-hotspot-18065093


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes and a number of us said so at the time. It was the same with the Stereophonics and Cheltenham Festival. The latter resulted in the Jockey Club apparently giving out medical advice. In normal times it would be funny but sadly in this instance it could have cost lives. 


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Rob K
09 April 2020 11:55:00


Emily is a brilliant journalist and getting a lot of heat for saying the truth here


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


who is giving her stick for saying what is quite self evident?


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