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Caz
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13 April 2020 10:49:17


 


Probably not Caz. Both you and I both agreed with him about they should be made to comply but we are still accused of having some sort of anti-lockdown attitude !


There is a big difference between that and feeling empathy for people who are affected more than some others. For example i am far less affected than my highly compliant teen grandson but I still feel have empathy for the things he is missing.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Yes, absolutely.  I know I’m nowhere near as badly affected as some and I’m actually embracing the slower pace of lockdown life.  I’m selfishly missing my kids but everything else is just mere inconvenience, which I’ve adapted to.  I know not everyone is as lucky and I really feel for those who are struggling.  


 


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fairweather
13 April 2020 10:49:18


 


I think there is a cultural divide, not just religious. In my street there are a lot of Asian households. I have observed a lot of family mixing, cars coming and going. Several BBQs were happening yesterday and I could hear crowds of people in back gardens


But the English households tend to be older retired couples who seem to be adhering to the rules, though it may be a class divide.


From what I hear on social media in less well off parts of Croydon, poorer white working class communities are also mixing at each others houses and flats


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Sounds about right. Of course the virus is no respecter of culture, religion or class and I feel if these things are going on, and you are seeing them, then the authorities should be as well and clamping down urgently.


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speckledjim
13 April 2020 10:55:44


 


Excellent news


I think they are partially lifting their lockdown so will be interesting to see what happens


Cases rising in China again, though perhaps this is Strain C rather than A, or previous sufferers who remain asymptomatic but are still infectious?


The Horizon documentary showed that Bats didn't suffer symptoms but they all carry and spread it to each other. 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Mostly imported cases which is similar to what has been happening in Singapore too


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speckledjim
13 April 2020 10:57:55


 


That would be fine as long as shops, pubs etc can open as normal but with social distancing. Impossible to police though. And the old boys will still want to come to the pub, and who is going to stop them?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


As long as the impact on the NHS can be managed then restrictions will be lifted piecemeal. I think though that pubs/restaurants will be later on down the line.


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Roger Parsons
13 April 2020 11:00:47


Yes, absolutely.  I know I’m nowhere near as badly affected as some and I’m actually embracing the slower pace of lockdown life.  I’m selfishly missing my kids but everything else is just mere inconvenience, which I’ve adapted to.  I know not everyone is as lucky and I really feel for those who are struggling.  


 

Originally Posted by: Caz 


The CO-19 crisis has brought back childhood memories of the Cuba Missile Crisis where there was an widespread expectation of nuclear war. We were living not far from Cuba at the time. My fear, or perhaps I should say "Terror", was that in the event of a strike I might not be able to find and be with my family. It was a very real fear at the time and yet I had pretty much forgotten it. I had felt less scared of the Bomb than of the separation, if that makes sense...


https://www.bl.uk/learning/timeline/item108397.html


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fairweather
13 April 2020 11:01:01


 


Remember the doorstep milk deliveries? Wish we still had those, Beast. We could bring get them to deliver beer too. R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Re-instated our milkman a year ago and now glad we did. Costs a bit more but he can deliver other odd sundries. Dunno about beer though !


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Gooner
13 April 2020 11:01:42


 


As long as the impact on the NHS can be managed then restrictions will be lifted piecemeal. I think though that pubs/restaurants will be later on down the line.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I agree with that , with people being stationary its a classic for spreading anything , they could well be the last to open IMO


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Northern Sky
13 April 2020 11:04:20


 


Remember the doorstep milk deliveries? Wish we still had those, Beast. We could bring get them to deliver beer too. R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


We still have milk delivered Roger. They also have a range of other things - although alas, not beer.


Edit: Fairweather beat me to it! 

warrenb
13 April 2020 11:08:10

After today's exercise walk I have come to the conclusion that the MAJORITY of runners are just a bunch of people who wish to meet you on a Tuesday and the only social spacing is clearly between their ears. Today I witnessed runners forcing people into hedges, crossing single track bridges with families already crossing them and on one occasion actually kicking a dog out of their way. I am fed up with it to be honest, and I along with a few others started shouting at them. Saying that they can't hear you as the majority have their headphones on.


Caz
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13 April 2020 11:08:16

[quote=Phil G;1204300]


Sorry if you think I flew off the handle somewhat, but here's your post again.


"Continuing from the previous thread and the question of religious gatherings. I’m not particularly religious but I respect the choice of those who are. This must be a really difficult time for those of certain faiths for whom togetherness is a big part of their faith. I know it’s against current regulations but I think at times of need, togetherness is even more important. I’m not for one minute suggesting they should be excepted from the rules and I don’t condone such gatherings. However, I do think we could be a little more understanding and less critical of them. We’re all in this together but we all have different needs and circumstances".


Yes it is a difficult time but surely life and death is above religion. Dangerous (for us as well) that some faiths think the contrary. "I know its against current regulations but I think at times of need togetherness is more important". "However, I do think we could be a little more understanding and less critical of them". Yes I understand that for some faiths prayer seems to be the main reason why they exist, so anything ANYTHING else takes second fiddle. But, their selfishness to the cause in this case means they are endangering others, especially as they are living alongside others. I think this just highlights some faiths where sensible precautions have been observed against others who are not in touch with reality and the living world around them. They are stuck in their own brainwashed vacuumed state unable to realise the nightmare going on around them. 


 


Phil, I don’t think you flew off the handle and I genuinely understand your anger.  I know what I wrote and you missed out the important fact that I don’t think they should be excepted and that I don’t condone rule breaking!


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Saint Snow
13 April 2020 11:08:17


Continuing from the previous thread and the question of religious gatherings.  I’m not particularly religious but I respect the choice of those who are.  This must be a really difficult time for those of certain faiths for whom togetherness is a big part of their faith.  


I know it’s against current regulations but I think at times of need, togetherness is even more important.  I’m not for one minute suggesting they should be excepted from the rules and I don’t condone such gatherings.  However, I do think we could be a little more understanding and less critical of them. We’re all in this together but we all have different needs and circumstances. 


Rant over!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


For young people, socialising is also important. What about people who live alone and whose only interaction is through pubs, clubs and societies?


We're all finding this difficult; we can't make allowances for certain groups because they also (through shopping, etc) have physical interactions with others. 


Also, late in the last thread, some were [rightly] deriding the 7% of those polled who believed 5G was responsible for CV19. Yet what percentage of the population believe that some supernatural deity impregnated a virgin, who then gave birth to the son of god in a stable, and he then grew up to undertake magical miracles like walking on water and bringing people back to life land get himself executed before coming back to life, yet we've never heard anything from him since... and let's not get started on that creation crap. 



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fairweather
13 April 2020 11:08:49

Even if restrictions were to be lifted I would continue my own isolation as best as possible. I wouldn't go to anywhere with gatherings of people. Family distancing would be the most difficult one to maintain . I doubt if I would re-instate any of my cancelled holidays, especially the one involving an Easy Jet flight. I would want to be vaccinated before I went on that.


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Bugglesgate
13 April 2020 11:10:33


 


We still have milk delivered Roger. They also have a range of other things - although alas, not beer.


Edit: Fairweather beat me to it! 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


 


Ditto here.  I was   debating whether to give it the heave-ho a while back - glad I didn't.   I get milk and orange juice delivered.   In more normal times they deliver a range of stuff including bog rolls, but I haven't had much luck with  ordering anything else since this all started.  Still, it stops me having to go out and get milk every few days.


 


 


 


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speckledjim
13 April 2020 11:24:29


Even if restrictions were to be lifted I would continue my own isolation as best as possible. I wouldn't go to anywhere with gatherings of people. Family distancing would be the most difficult one to maintain . I doubt if I would re-instate any of my cancelled holidays, especially the one involving an Easy Jet flight. I would want to be vaccinated before I went on that.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


We're due to fly to Italy mid July. If it was possible then I think we would go....


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Gandalf The White
13 April 2020 11:28:47


 


I don't see how pubs can be reopened.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


At some point a modified form of normality has to be established; I think it will just require everyone to abide by whatever rules are introduced. Pubs with beer gardens could reopen with chairs and tables spaced and only family groups sitting together; maybe a small number allowed inside, again with suitable spacing?


Ditto restaurants: family groups, well-spaced tables - food prepared but no table service?


Shops could gradually reopen again with strict limits on numbers allowed inside.


 


It seems clear that the threat will remain until there's a vaccine and realistically that means at least a year away and the tight restrictions simply cannot continue for that long.I think the period with the greatest threat will be the late autumn and winter when (a) people are more likely not to be outside and (b) seasonal bugs will muddy the picture considerably.  Therefore I think it follows that the restrictions will be eased through the summer months before most likely having to be tightened again later in the year.


 


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Caz
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13 April 2020 11:37:18


For young people, socialising is also important. What about people who live alone and whose only interaction is through pubs, clubs and societies?


We're all finding this difficult; we can't make allowances for certain groups because they also (through shopping, etc) have physical interactions with others. 


Also, late in the last thread, some were [rightly] deriding the 7% of those polled who believed 5G was responsible for CV19. Yet what percentage of the population believe that some supernatural deity impregnated a virgin, who then gave birth to the son of god in a stable, and he then grew up to undertake magical miracles like walking on water and bringing people back to life land get himself executed before coming back to life, yet we've never heard anything from him since... and let's not get started on that creation crap. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Exactly!  We should try to remember that we all have different circumstances and difficulties and some are suffering more.  We can’t make exceptions for the sake of overloading hospitals.  We really are all in this together. 


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Brian Gaze
13 April 2020 11:37:59


Even if restrictions were to be lifted I would continue my own isolation as best as possible. I wouldn't go to anywhere with gatherings of people. Family distancing would be the most difficult one to maintain . I doubt if I would re-instate any of my cancelled holidays, especially the one involving an Easy Jet flight. I would want to be vaccinated before I went on that.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
13 April 2020 11:38:18


 


At some point a modified form of normality has to be established; I think it will just require everyone to abide by whatever rules are introduced. Pubs with beer gardens could reopen with chairs and tables spaced and only family groups sitting together; maybe a small number allowed inside, again with suitable spacing?


Ditto restaurants: family groups, well-spaced tables - food prepared but no table service?


Shops could gradually reopen again with strict limits on numbers allowed inside.


 


It seems clear that the threat will remain until there's a vaccine and realistically that means at least a year away and the tight restrictions simply cannot continue for that long.I think the period with the greatest threat will be the late autumn and winter when (a) people are more likely not to be outside and (b) seasonal bugs will muddy the picture considerably.  Therefore I think it follows that the restrictions will be eased through the summer months before most likely having to be tightened again later in the year.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I think restaurants could be reopened before pubs and much easier to control.


In terms of pubs. Impossible. Once everyone has had a few drinks, keeping everyone in order and ensuring social distancing will be impossible. Some people will do it, but a lot of others won’t know or be able to once there a few pints in.


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Brian Gaze
13 April 2020 11:42:53


In terms of pubs. Impossible. Once everyone has had a few drinks, keeping everyone in order and ensuring social distancing will be impossible. Some people will do it, but a lot of others won’t know or be able to once there a few pints in.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Absolutely. As I said a few weeks ago it would be impossible here. Despite a "civilised" clientele our canal side pubs get rammed inside and out during the summer months. There is absolutely NO chance of social distancing happening with the best will in the world. Many bars and pubs in central London would fare even worse. It is a recipe for disaster. The only possibility would be if we went across to table service only as is more common in continental Europe. 


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Brian Gaze
13 April 2020 11:48:02

Hindsight is a wonderful thing so let's avoid it. If everyone else is wearing face masks Brits will want them too. Therefore, let's make sure we're not at the back of the queue. The UK government needs to urgently:


a) review its advice on face masks because it will almost certainly (rightly or wrongly) be forced to change it - so why not get ahead of the game now?


b) provide advice on types of face mask 


c) take measure to ensure people aren't ripped off when buying them


d) possibly use its buying power to purchase them in bulk for the UK population (I'm not talking FFP3 which is where the shortage is for medical staff)


 


Wearing face masks 'will become the norm'


Wearing facial protection will soon become normal, according to the World Health Organization's Covid-19 spokesman David Nabarro.


Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Nabarro said people had to come to terms with the new reality of living with the virus.


"This virus is not going to go away. We don't know whether people who have had the virus stay immune and we don't know when we will have a vaccine," he said.


"Some form of facial protection I am sure is going to become the norm, not least to give people reassurance. I think it will come because of what I am calling being Covid-19-ready."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52266235


 


 


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westv
13 April 2020 11:51:46
Is this the same WHO that said face masks were not worth wearing for most people?
At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
13 April 2020 11:53:43
211 patients were in intensive care as of last night in Scotland down from 221 on Saturday

Gandalf The White
13 April 2020 11:53:57


 


Absolutely. As I said a few weeks ago it would be impossible here. Despite a "civilised" clientele our canal side pubs get rammed inside and out during the summer months. There is absolutely NO chance of social distancing happening with the best will in the world. Many bars and pubs in central London would fare even worse. It is a recipe for disaster. The only possibility would be if we went across to table service only as is more common in continental Europe. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think you have to start to think about this from the premise that the current restrictions simply cannot continue until there's a vaccine, so what measures do you need to put in place to allow some restricted form of normality to be established.


Your idea might work very well. So might queuing and limiting numbers allowed into pubs and restaurants and limiting how long people can stay (I think that would be an inevitable consequence of having people waiting in queues). I'd make the pub/restaurant owner responsible - like a condition on the licence: i.e. you are allowed to trade provided you work strictly within the rules. If you're caught out you're closed down.


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Phil G
13 April 2020 12:00:43


 


My wife and I certainly won't be reinstating international holidays this summer. In all honesty I doubt whether we will risk going anywhere in the UK either. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It's really early days still and they are talking of second and third waves. It's a case of wait and see before we commit to anything.

Joe Bloggs
13 April 2020 12:03:39

Just been for my state sanctioned bit of exercise for the day. 


Did a longer walk from home and toured round some of our local parks. From Withington, up to Levenshulme, back through Burnage and Fallowfield. A few miles in total. 


I’m not exaggerating when I say I barely saw a soul. For a salt of the earth, inner city area, that is damned impressive. The rules, by and large, are being adhered to. If they are here, I’d imagine they are in most places. 



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