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picturesareme
10 August 2020 16:00:33


 


 


Which is where (plus Scotland) the vast majority complaints about this summer (and July in particular) have come from. 


Yes, some areas in the south/south-east have had a prolonged good spell, but people from there making snide comments about how ridiculous others saying it's been a poor summer, when the people complaining have indeed had a poor summer, is annoying.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The same in winter when folk in the north banging on about snow and ice days when we're still waiting for our first frost.

TimS
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10 August 2020 16:37:52

GFS turns into a rain-fest. Real shades of 2004 in there. That started hot too.


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Downpour
10 August 2020 16:44:09


 


The same in winter when folk in the north banging on about snow and ice days when we're still waiting for our first frost.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Indeed.


About a third of the population of the whole UK live in the South and East of England – it's fair enough that the weather here gets discussed widely. It is certainly proportionate to the population. 


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Rob K
10 August 2020 17:01:12


GFS turns into a rain-fest. Real shades of 2004 in there. That started hot too.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


It's amazing how quickly the GFS has collapsed from widespread high pressure to an ECM-style arkfest


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RobN
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10 August 2020 18:24:24


It's amazing how quickly the GFS has collapsed from widespread high pressure to an ECM-style arkfest


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Let's hope the GFS Op is overcooking the cumulative rainfall - it has gone way off the scale for the arid desert of mid-East Anglia


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=&y=&run=12&lat=52.2672064777&lon=0.283018867925&runpara=0&type=10&ext=1


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TimS
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10 August 2020 18:53:50
ECM keeps the Arkfest theme but has eased off on the “wintry showers on high ground” vibe of its last two runs. Probably means it’ll be wetter though.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
10 August 2020 19:00:56
Coincidentally we've been looking for an inflatable kayak before we go on holiday. Might come in handy for shopping trips down Cartmel high street...
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moomin75
10 August 2020 19:04:26

ECM keeps the Arkfest theme but has eased off on the “wintry showers on high ground” vibe of its last two runs. Probably means it’ll be wetter though.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Will my Ark finally need to come out of retirement? 🤣🤣


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David M Porter
10 August 2020 19:15:07

To be honest, I remain to be convinced that any of the models have yet got a proper handle on what happens after the end this week and next weekend. I could well be wrong, but I have a feeling that ECM and GFS may well be overcooking that LP shown for next week. We shall see.


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moomin75
10 August 2020 19:25:42


To be honest, I remain to be convinced that any of the models have yet got a proper handle on what happens after the end this week and next weekend. I could well be wrong, but I have a feeling that ECM and GFS may well be overcooking that LP shown for next week. We shall see.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I am actually inclined to agree with you David.


These heatwaves often take a lot longer to shift than the models suggest, and there have been countless examples where the models have overcooked low pressure returning in an attempt to return to normality.


I think its obviously going to cool down but I'm not so sure we are about to see autumn arriving early.


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TimS
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10 August 2020 19:27:45
Ideal scenario is the big deep spinning low does indeed form, but does so 500 miles further west than currently modelled. Then we’ll be challenging August 1995 and 1997.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
xioni2
10 August 2020 19:29:21

Ideal scenario is the big deep spinning low does indeed form, but does so 500 miles further west than currently modelled. Then we’ll be challenging August 1995 and 1997.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


20-25% of the EC ens runs do this with low to mid 30s in the SE next week.

TimS
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10 August 2020 19:42:45
Even the EC op threatens something suddenly hot right at the end of the run. Hope springs eternal.
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10 August 2020 19:45:44
Yes I remember in 2003 after the Sunday, the Monday was forecast to be 25C. Instead it was if I remember correctly still 36C in some parts.
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Hungry Tiger
10 August 2020 19:51:10

Even the EC op threatens something suddenly hot right at the end of the run. Hope springs eternal.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Heaven knows where they got this from. Just seen a chilly 18C as the max at the end of next week for East Anglia.


 


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Crepuscular Ray
10 August 2020 20:08:47
Looking forward to the cooler weather coming as it will be warmer here 😂
Jerry
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Downpour
10 August 2020 21:29:46


I am actually inclined to agree with you David.


These heatwaves often take a lot longer to shift than the models suggest, and there have been countless examples where the models have overcooked low pressure returning in an attempt to return to normality.


I think its obviously going to cool down but I'm not so sure we are about to see autumn arriving early.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Agreed. Nine times out of ten these modelled epic lows fail to trouble the scorers. Most likely we will end up with something decidedly average which will be welcomed by many, including me. My garden is suffering and I’m wilting in the night heat. 


25c at midnight ain’t funny. 


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David M Porter
10 August 2020 21:52:34

Looking forward to the cooler weather coming as it will be warmer here 😂

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


And hopefully a bit drier than recently too!


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Retron
11 August 2020 04:56:10

I've been keeping an eye out for some much-needed rain on the models for a while now - all this talk of arks etc made me hopeful, but GFS is see-sawing between showing silly amounts (e.g. 19mm/3 hours in the 0z run) to practically nothing (as per yesterday's 18z). The law of sod dictates the latter is more likely, but showers and storms are, of course, very tricky to predict.


 


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11 August 2020 07:13:43


 


And hopefully a bit drier than recently too!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


From the Scttish perspective, that is - could you send some this way, please? No measurable rainfall here for weeks ..jus a chance tomorrow or Thursday?


GFS currently showing broad ridge of HP still present with slack LP to the S until Tue 18th when the ridge is split by a deeper LP setting over the UK 985mb by Thu 20th (centred in lowland Scotland - again?!). HP resumes in the S toWed 26th but with some LP drifting in from the W


GEFS in the S - temps dropping irregularly back to norm by Mon 17th and many more spikes of rainfall than yesterday 13th- 22nd. In Scotland a steadier and slower decline to norm; after immediate rainfall there's a dry period to Mon 17th when it kicks off again.


ECM similar to GFS but cooler and more W-ly at end of run (Fri 21st)


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Ally Pally Snowman
11 August 2020 07:25:23

Models seem keen on extending the warmth mid/high 20s Friday to Sunday. 


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Brian Gaze
11 August 2020 07:30:52
Yes. I'm looking at 30C again this weekend. One to watch.
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TimS
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11 August 2020 07:38:48
Very messy end to this heatwave, with the isobars faffing about ineffectually until, sadly, they decide to get their act together with a big low slap bang over the UK. There is now a fair bit of consensus across the main ones unfortunately.
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Jiries
11 August 2020 07:39:37


Models seem keen on extending the warmth mid/high 20s Friday to Sunday. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Just like when we were on unsettled spell kept extending all the time so hope this will do the same to make up for poor early start to summer.

tallyho_83
11 August 2020 12:49:08

Met Office seasonal probability model (GLOSEA 5) has been updated as well as ensemble mean seasonal:


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/glob-seas-prob


 


Can't show Europe only but only Global - Now covering the start of the winter:




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