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doctormog
10 November 2018 07:57:08
Indeed. Weeks of dull nothingness but I guess it’s not disruptive or damaging (or interesting)
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10 November 2018 08:16:27

Indeed. Weeks of dull nothingness but I guess it’s not disruptive or damaging (or interesting)

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


So add an extra line to the poem by Thomas Hood? A friend of Richardabdn, I think. In full on the moaning thread.


http://www.oatridge.co.uk/poems/t/thomas-hood-november.php 


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Gusty
10 November 2018 10:01:27

FI continues to look potentially tantilising. I have see seen worse GEFS means at 204 hours !



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doctormog
10 November 2018 10:38:33


FI continues to look potentially tantilising. I have see seen worse GEFS means at 204 hours !



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I haven’t 


marco 79
10 November 2018 10:53:52

Dry...mild for next 10 days (GFS Op)..if we see any sun..it could feel quite like September..But the cliche narrative has to be... "If only it was July"


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tallyho_83
10 November 2018 11:00:56

Just for fun: Nice to end on such a blocked note from n. Pole view down: -  Let#s hope this trend continues  and this blocking' get's it's act together1!


 



 


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Brian Gaze
10 November 2018 13:41:47

IMO:


1) Looking very good for a cold spell as we head through December 


2) At this stage a better than average chance of a very cold winter


Latest GEFS show a gradual cool down during the last third of the month.


PS: I'm redeveloping the GEFS scripts at the moment so there could be some problems and delays.



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10 November 2018 14:55:19


IMO:


1) Looking very good for a cold spell as we head through December 


2) At this stage a better than average chance of a very cold winter


Latest GEFS show a gradual cool down during the last third of the month.


PS: I'm redeveloping the GEFS scripts at the moment so there could be some problems and delays.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Nice to see a few members toying with some


changes as early as the 17 November


Mark
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White Meadows
10 November 2018 15:34:11


IMO:


1) Looking very good for a cold spell as we head through December 


2) At this stage a better than average chance of a very cold winter


Latest GEFS show a gradual cool down during the last third of the month.


PS: I'm redeveloping the GEFS scripts at the moment so there could be some problems and delays.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


hi Brian, please can you elaborate on points 1&2 there?


thanks 

Gooner
10 November 2018 15:56:06

Charts starting to look ok , some blocked scenarios into FI


PV not looking so organised .


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
10 November 2018 16:51:13

GFS 12Z OP setting the HP across the UK with a slight Easterly breeze - ENS will be interesting 


Deepest FI brings some cold air across the UK


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Broadmayne Blizzard
10 November 2018 17:33:10


GFS 12Z OP setting the HP across the UK with a slight Easterly breeze - ENS will be interesting 


Deepest FI brings some cold air across the UK


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed so Gooner the first half decent charts of the deason. Allbeit deep FI


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Gooner
10 November 2018 17:33:24

Some great potential in the ENS P19 is a beauty towards the end 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Brian Gaze
10 November 2018 17:58:19

The balance could tip the other way but at the moment we are cueing up the coldest start to a winter since 2010. 


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Gooner
10 November 2018 18:03:15


The balance could tip the other way but at the moment we are cueing up the coldest start to a winter since 2010. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A repeat would be ideal but a bit more prolonged 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
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Solar Cycles
10 November 2018 18:35:17
I think anything beyond day ten is up for grabs at the moment even the MetO are chopping and changing the extended outlook like there’s no tomorrow. Its always the same when you’ve got a block to our East, I don’t think anything will be resolved until midweek.
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
10 November 2018 18:54:04

Ahem.


Yes it looking very promising. Western Europe High in Week 3- moves eastward to Central Europe then across UK towards the end of week 3.


Cold easterly winds from Sweden and Denmark and Belarus move West SW across to the UK, from about Wednesday 21st to Thursday the 22nd November 2018, cold and frosty weather arrives across North France and the UK.


During week 4, Cold air to the NW of High Pressure in the North Central Atlantic et all, we'll need Low Pressure allow Northerly flow between NE of Iceland to NW UK, with Low Pressure over SW Norwegian Sea that could drag NW to SE cold plunge in the direction over North Atlantic towards the UK by midweek of Week 4.


If blocking over to West of UK and over N. Atlantic link up to Greenland High, with cold pooling over the UK by start of week 4 would be good as well.


It looks interesting to see the pattern evolve.  I hope to see more support from the UKMO and wish that the ECMWF 12z also backs up the GFS 12z and UKMO 12z runs which it has done, and it seems the UKMO places the UK High nicely over us at T144 for Friday the 16th November.


Negative North Atlantic Oscillation, 50 percent in charge.


More model runs needed as the forecast will chop and change like a see saw.


 


While the situation is not yet decided, enjoy the next 144 hours of very mild and possibly foggy weather, and some pleasantly warm sunshine of Mid-November hmm.


Till we get 22nd November, all to play for.


 


Cold Pooling at the Arctic is showing but there is a lot of Low Pressure going well up north mixing the cold air which will hopefully at some point charge in and flow NW SE or North to South but the current models are not conductive for that fan fare at the moment, we seeing plenty of Northern based West SW to ENE moving Low Pressure and this is part of the problem that the models need to address!!.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
David M Porter
10 November 2018 19:08:30

I think anything beyond day ten is up for grabs at the moment even the MetO are chopping and changing the extended outlook like there’s no tomorrow. Its always the same when you’ve got a block to our East, I don’t think anything will be resolved until midweek.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Agree with that, SC.


Those who were on here in February and regularly followed the model output in the lead-up to the "Beast from the East" will no doubt recall, as I do, that the output for a number of days seemed to be all over the place until the models all finally came into line a week or so before the snow arrived. It has been the same before other easterly spells in the relatively recent past too; late February 2005 springs to mind.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
10 November 2018 19:29:41

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ECMWF 12z Model has big North Europe and UK Scandinavia Norway Blocking High from 168 to 240 hours, wow.


Cold air across the Central parts of East and SE Europe, away from SE Europe countries next to Turkey...


That cold air moves westward into Germany by about midday on Tuesday 20th November.


This situation bears a lot of simlarity to the cold and snowy weather event of February and March 2018.


But at the SST's at this time of year are pretty warm we will just get some heavy rain showers.


The 850 hPa wedge of cold pooling along with Easterly winds from N. France and N. Germany look interestingly chilly and cold though.


The Tuesday 20th will remain fine and mild across the UK, so TOA of colder weather from the east currently programmed to arrive either later on Wednesday 21st or during Thursday the 22nd November 2018.


The Packing of NW Atlantic and SE of Greenland and SW W. Norwegian Sea Low Pressure at the 216-240 time period from today looks conductive to creating some blocking in more favourable location but the direction of travel is going to be an issue as if they spin from the West and go to the NE from there then we will remain stuck with Sceuro Bartlett High in UK and Europe.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Devonian
10 November 2018 21:48:16


The balance could tip the other way but at the moment we are cueing up the coldest start to a winter since 2010. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


No chance, though the balance could tip the other way.

Arcus
10 November 2018 22:19:41


The balance could tip the other way but at the moment we are cueing up the coldest start to a winter since 2010. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Very different run-up compared to 2010. The MetO long-ranger at this point in November 2010 was already talking about well-below average temperatures at the end of November going into December, and that outlook was rock-solid for quite a while. Currently the signals for something remotely similar are weak at best.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Retron
11 November 2018 05:20:54

Note Brian said "since 2010", not equalling it or beating it. It wouldn't be especually hard, either.

For example, I looked at the number of days at my nearest station, Manston, with maxima of 5.0C or lower in December - a good benchmark for a "cold day", in my view.

They are as follows:


2008 - 11
2009 - 11
2010 - 24 (and one below 0C)
2011 - 1
2012 - 3
2013 - 0
2014 - 1
2015 - 0 (and only one below 10C!)
2016 - 0
2017 - 6

Down here at least, 2017 was the coldest start to winter since 2010. A week with a high parked over us would beat that, for example.


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
11 November 2018 07:50:03

ENS still trending colder after mid month , mainly HP centred over the UK but a couple of beauties in amongst them 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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JACKO4EVER
11 November 2018 08:26:05
Morning all, with HP Looking like a player now it wouldn’t surprise me to see fog and frost becoming a problem as we roll further through the month.
nsrobins
11 November 2018 08:59:20

Morning all, with HP Looking like a player now it wouldn’t surprise me to see fog and frost becoming a problem as we roll further through the month.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Agreed - they’re the main players mid term.


Towards month end, with E Europe going into the freezer, options for a decent cold spell are available.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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