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JACKO4EVER
14 January 2019 05:14:59




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


and as if by magic The daily star leads with this mornings headlines 


“Killer snowstorms to hit UK”


i honestly don’t know what model output they have been looking at. 


The colder spell looks to still be on by the end of the week but where we go from next week is anyone’s guess.

marco 79
14 January 2019 05:52:11
GEFS mean has ticked up in the 0z output ....still showing some colder runs...but a definite shift the wrong way....
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Retron
14 January 2019 06:36:10

GEFS mean has ticked up in the 0z output ....still showing some colder runs...but a definite shift the wrong way....

Originally Posted by: marco 79 


The T2Ms are much the same as the 18z suite.


If you mean the 850s, the mean overall is much the same (slightly higher in the shorter term, slightly lower in the longer term).


 


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
14 January 2019 06:49:08

One word this morning - Azores.


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Retron
14 January 2019 06:59:08


One word this morning - Azores.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It does look like the models have generally shifted things further east this morning, at least in the mid term. Overall it doesn't make much difference in the T2Ms etc, but it's not a trend I'd want to see continue!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
14 January 2019 07:01:22

ECM the best of a mediocre bunch this morning. Need some upgrades this afternoon . As for slidergate at 96/120 pretty much zero chance the old GFS will have it right.  


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BJBlake
14 January 2019 07:11:52

Hints of high level blocking emerging at the end of FI (for what it's worth) at end of both the GFS Op & Controle runs from the 0z, (known for their inconsistency of course) LOL  Indicating a memorable Feb possible! ... Can but hope...


 http://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&time=144&run=0&lid=C00&h=0&tr=12&mv=0


 


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Whether Idle
14 January 2019 07:18:42


One word this morning - Azores.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


While the second half of the month is very likely to be colder than the first, how much colder is very much open to debate.  The trend over the past 24 hours has been to shift things east - including the colder air, so as things stand whilst I expect it to be colder and far more winter-like than it has been (up to Weds), I think there is a chance we will wait til the very tail end of the month before the southerners get a sniff of the white stuff.  Our old friend The Azores High is reminding us who is boss around here.


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Brian Gaze
14 January 2019 07:22:52


 


While the second half of the month is very likely to be colder than the first, how much colder is very much open to debate.  The trend over the past 24 hours has been to shift things east - including the colder air, so as things stand whilst I expect it to be colder and far more winter-like than it has been (up to Weds), I think there is a chance we will wait til the very tail end of the month before the southerners get a sniff of the white stuff.  Our old friend The Azores High is reminding us who is boss around here.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Indeed. As I recently mentioned I can remember Paul Bartlett talking about it many years ago. A real basic staple of the British winter and one which people overlook at their peril. 


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Solar Cycles
14 January 2019 07:37:53
It’s a case of one step forward two steps backwards this morning and if anything it all looks rather uninspiring, yes it will turn colder but nothing out of the ordinary and still no signs of HLB which is a concern for me.
nsrobins
14 January 2019 07:41:17
Limiting the commentary to 120, the issue is still that GFS puts more energy into the ‘shuffler’ low and does not disrupt and slide it like EC and UKM. Consequently it stays a defined feature into the N Sea. This disagreement is not uncommon and it will take a few days to resolve this and consequently the expected conditions on the ground.
Further afield still no strong signs of HLB but that should (may) show in the next few days.
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beanoir
14 January 2019 07:42:16
Definitely seeing the AH dominating the set-up this morning, not entirely unexpected. Seems the real beast not happy with having been ignored over the last couple of weeks!
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Hippydave
14 January 2019 07:42:21

It’s a case of one step forward two steps backwards this morning and if anything it all looks rather uninspiring, yes it will turn colder but nothing out of the ordinary and still no signs of HLB which is a concern for me.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


GFS FWIW post T300 has a fair bit of blocking, circa 50% of the members show decent blocking at T330 for example, which has been a growing trend for the past few days.


Before then and as far as I can see we're looking at usual fluctuations in the models as to where things end up in an unsettled flow. GFS is at odds with the Euros from T72 onwards (bit closer on the GFSP) so take any nearer term solutions with a pinch O salt until that's sorted imo, although I'm going with the Euros to have got the slider right just on past performance


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Rob K
14 January 2019 07:45:35
A shame I said last night I think it is pointless looking at the models at the moment. By the end of the week there might be some clarity but until then it’s just a random number generator every 6 or 12 hours. Hopefully the roulette wheel will be kind to us at some stage.
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Solar Cycles
14 January 2019 07:48:56


 


GFS FWIW post T300 has a fair bit of blocking, circa 50% of the members show decent blocking at T330 for example, which has been a growing trend for the past few days.


Before then and as far as I can see we're looking at usual fluctuations in the models as to where things end up in an unsettled flow. GFS is at odds with the Euros from T72 onwards (bit closer on the GFSP) so take any nearer term solutions with a pinch O salt until that's sorted imo, although I'm going with the Euros to have got the slider right just on past performance


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Just had a quick peep at them. 👍🏻


The problem  lies with the remnants of the PV lobe over towards Canada/Greenland, until they’ve drained away then getting any HLB in that vicinity is going to be a challenge. I’ve no doubt we'll see this happen but it may well be at the start of next month.

Gusty
14 January 2019 07:54:52

The general pattern remains the same. A NW/SE jet access pulling in cold zonality initially. Its backed further east across some output allowing for a stronger Azores High.


After that we are still looking for the troposheric response from the SSW - 23-26th January should be the period we see these heights rise across Greenland and Iceland if the long term EC/ CFS/ JMA have the 500 hpa height anomolies correct.


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Ally Pally Snowman
14 January 2019 07:56:25

The ECM means follow the Op very well you can see the Azores high showing its hand day 6/7 but then trough comes down day 8 to 10 will it be cold enough its borderline especially for the southern third of the UK .


 


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kmoorman
14 January 2019 08:09:57

As you can imagine, the Brighton Snow Row values have dropped dramatically since yesterday with the only gains deep into FI. 


Worrying.



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Ally Pally Snowman
14 January 2019 08:36:44

Still a decent set of GEFS for London snow rows at 90. The mean is slightly higher especially around the 22nd and 25th. 


 


 


 



 



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Arbroath 1320
14 January 2019 08:44:10
The MO output trend over the last few days is for the Azores High to exert its influence pushing the cold NW flow progressively further East. If this continues the UK will be under an Azores ridge with the cold flow heading into central Europe. More snow just where they don't need it!
GGTTH
Snowedin3
14 January 2019 08:48:14
No need to be too dispondent this morning, clearly models can’t work out what’s going to happen next week

Sorry for the cliche, but more runs needed.
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Finstock, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire
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nsrobins
14 January 2019 09:05:27
And a review of upper levels shows the downwelling and effect on the average zonal wind is slower than modelled, which is now not expected to reach and drop below zero (reversal) at 100hPa now until 22nd.
The synoptics occurring this week at 1000hPa are therefore still unlikely to be ‘SSW’ driven. And however it gets there (slider, disrupter or discrete) heights will drop away to our east over the weekend. It’s after that when the fun begins as the reversal higher up starts to become influential.
Neil
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Rob K
14 January 2019 09:24:50
If indeed the trop reversal ever happens. It seems to have been delayed and delayed, it’s still only a forecast so presumably might end up being a lot weaker than predicted or even nonexistent?
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Arcus
14 January 2019 09:33:40

If indeed the trop reversal ever happens. It seems to have been delayed and delayed, it’s still only a forecast so presumably might end up being a lot weaker than predicted or even nonexistent?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Going back in time to the MetO's video (on media thread) on the SSW, their modelling showed that the Trop response was not due to kick in until the final week of January, continuing through February and into March (even as the Strat reverted back to more normal conditions). The caveat has always been that this does not guarantee cold of course for our neck of the woods.  


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
DPower
14 January 2019 09:58:48
Same old story really unless there is cross model agreement then whatever prefered pattern is showing regardless of model it will be suspect. GFS was first to show a tendency for eastward shift in pattern as deeper trough breaks away from Canadian sector.
I mentioned this a day or so ago when refering to the strat profile. The mid strat (30-10mb) looks very hostile in terms of blocking to our north. By t240 the Canadian vortex lifts out and spreads east over Greenland and Iceland this is because the European lobe is pulled back to join the third lobe situated over eastern Siberia.
Effectively what we have is split vortex with two lobes, one over Greenland the other over Siberia completely the wrong orientation leaving the UK in a mobile flat pattern. However due to the downwelling it is perhaps best to look towards 100mb and lower by this time range and its here we see the Canadian lobe orientated in north and south rather than east and west leaving our side of the hemisphere (Greenland eastward) open to high latitude blocking similar tjo what the end of the 06z gfs op run is showing.
Fingers crossed all is not lost.

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