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Gooner
13 January 2019 18:56:02

ECM D9 Not too bad 



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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


fairweather
13 January 2019 18:56:48

At 96hr the ECM 12z, UKMO 12z and GFSP 12z are all very similiar, the GFS op is different. Draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


But it returns cold at T168 when the main cold starts anyway. Perhaps more concern might have been the Azores HP moving back in at T240, and although a warm outlier there are several warmer runs then pushing the mean back to -4C in the 12z ensembles. But as the other charts haven't reached this point yet and with the Met Office predicting there will be milder blips during a prolonged cold spell I wouldn't be concerned at this stage.


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doctormog
13 January 2019 18:57:44
Generally a chilly 12z ECM op run and still on the same overall trend. Details TBC.
Gooner
13 January 2019 18:57:47

D10 has the cold over the UK




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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2019 18:58:21

ECM looks very snowy day 9 and 10. It's similar if not as spectacular as the 0z run but good consistency. 


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
13 January 2019 18:58:35


 


The 12z ECM was never ever going to mirror this mornings effort , its no surprise 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Strange, I was just thinking how oddly similar the ECM at 240 was to the last run. Not quite as extreme, unsurprisingly, but still showing the jet digging way down into North Africa and flooding Europe with cold. Just hope it doesn’t correct any further eastwards!


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Gooner
13 January 2019 19:00:58


 


Strange, I was just thinking how oddly similar the ECM at 240 was to the last run. Not quite as extreme, unsurprisingly, but still showing the jet digging way down into North Africa and flooding Europe with cold. Just hope it doesn’t correct any further eastwards!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


It ended in a similar fashion, I was comparing frame on frame, no complaints though , lets see the means 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


jhall
13 January 2019 19:03:10


ECM looks very snowy day 9 and 10. It's similar if not as spectacular as the 0z run but good consistency. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I can't recall seeing such marked trough disruption before where all the surrounding air is cold.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Chunky Pea
13 January 2019 19:06:33


 


Strange, I was just thinking how oddly similar the ECM at 240 was to the last run. Not quite as extreme, unsurprisingly, but still showing the jet digging way down into North Africa and flooding Europe with cold. Just hope it doesn’t correct any further eastwards!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Like this morning, it is showing heights gradually falling over continental Europe in the last couple of frames to the point of looking portentous. 


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DPower
13 January 2019 19:17:28
Very nice end to the ecm 12z. Every thing a couple of hundred miles further east perhaps and not as amplified in the earlier stages as the 0z run. Eps I think will be good.
Still not able really to put any real detail in to surface conditions a week from now.
Whether Idle
13 January 2019 19:25:08


ECM looks very snowy day 9 and 10. It's similar if not as spectacular as the 0z run but good consistency. 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Just a pity its way out in la la land as those charts could produce copious amounts of snow.  A fascinating week of model watching awaits. 


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Arcus
13 January 2019 19:35:34
Some nice charts knocking around tonight. Given that Trop disruptive response to the SSW is due to maintain itself through all of Feb then the potential (and it's only potential) should remain strong for the rest of winter, and there's a chance that we're only looking at the aperitifs here, never mind the amuse -bouche, starter, main course and dessert.
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Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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jhall
13 January 2019 19:41:52

Some nice charts knocking around tonight. Given that Trop disruptive response to the SSW is due to maintain itself through all of Feb then the potential (and it's only potential) should remain strong for the rest of winter, and there's a chance that we're only looking at the aperitifs here, never mind the amuse -bouche, starter, main course and dessert.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


The dessert would presumably be Baked Alaska.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2019 19:57:20


 


I can't recall seeing such marked trough disruption before where all the surrounding air is cold.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


 


Yes its definitely unusual could be a memorable event if we get lucky that is.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
tallyho_83
13 January 2019 19:58:32

Brian - could you explain this chart to me as I find it so confusing with the heavy snow to south and many western parts of country yet heavy rain to the north east? and those temps? Thanks




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doctormog
13 January 2019 20:04:48

I know these mean charts have their limitations but the ECM 12z ensemble chart shows that the op run was remarkably close to the mean for the entire duration. This one is for Aberdeen but the others I have checked are similiar:

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/ecmwf/graphe_ens3.php?mode=0&x=&y=&run=12&lat=57.125506072874494&lon=-2.264150943396224&runpara=0



ballamar
13 January 2019 20:11:57


I know these mean charts have their limitations but the ECM 12z ensemble chart shows that the op run was remarkably close to the mean for the entire duration. This one is for Aberdeen but the others I have checked are similiar:

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/ecmwf/graphe_ens3.php?mode=0&x=&y=&run=12&lat=57.125506072874494&lon=-2.264150943396224&runpara=0



Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


which is a great sign for a cold spell, definitely going the right way

jhall
13 January 2019 20:16:48


Brian - could you explain this chart to me as I find it so confusing with the heavy snow to south and many western parts of country yet heavy rain to the north east? and those temps? Thanks




Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


It looks to me as if one of those two charts must have somehow failed to update from the previous run, even though the timestamps indicate that they both have. Always assuming that one isn't from the operational run and the other from the parallel run.


Cranleigh, Surrey
jhall
13 January 2019 20:24:42


 


It looks to me as if one of those two charts must have somehow failed to update from the previous run, even though the timestamps indicate that they both have. Always assuming that one isn't from the operational run and the other from the parallel run.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


When I look at the corresponding charts on Wetterzentrale, the temperatures are far lower than shown in the chart posted here, ranging from 1C is south Wales and NW England (and below freezing over much of Scotland) to 7C over parts of East Anglia.


Cranleigh, Surrey
roadrunnerajn
13 January 2019 20:28:12


Brian - could you explain this chart to me as I find it so confusing with the heavy snow to south and many western parts of country yet heavy rain to the north east? and those temps? Thanks




Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


i would say that the first charts is showing a low pressure system over the midlands with a very cold NNW airflow behind turning any showers to sleet and snow. Over the mountains of wales the cold air would be undercutting and turning the back edge of the main front to snow. However 29th is a long way off.


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White Meadows
13 January 2019 20:50:16
Cfs v2 update 😱😱😱🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 ❄️ ❄️ ❄️

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euT2mMonInd1.gif 

Polar Low
13 January 2019 20:51:17

it is correct intermixing of a very cold n/w polar air s/e for n/e


Rain/Snowfall rate GFS Tu 29.01.2019 00 UTC


Height/Temp. 850 hPa GFS Tu 29.01.2019 00 UTC


 


Temperature (2m) GFS Tu 29.01.2019 00 UTC


dew about -8 Fh about 600 M



Brian - could you explain this chart to me as I find it so confusing with the heavy snow to south and many western parts of country yet heavy rain to the north east? and those temps? Thanks




Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

David M Porter
13 January 2019 21:12:33


D10 has the cold over the UK




Originally Posted by: Gooner 



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Brian Gaze
13 January 2019 21:21:51


Brian - could you explain this chart to me as I find it so confusing with the heavy snow to south and many western parts of country yet heavy rain to the north east? and those temps? Thanks




Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


The other answers to your question are all wrong. The reason is simply that the wrong variable was plotted on that chart, the correct values are below. The problem should not occur on the GFS18z which starts in a few minutes.


 



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jhall
13 January 2019 21:32:51

Cfs v2 update 😱😱😱🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 ❄️ ❄️ ❄️

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euT2mMonInd1.gif

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


The positive anomalies for Iceland, Greenland and Spitzbergen suggests that February is expected to be dominated by easterlies rather than northerlies.


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