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ballamar
09 January 2020 10:34:50
There is some colder air to tap into in Scandinavia now, we could get lucky with some cold - Azores high needs to be cut of with a sinking low
Rob K
09 January 2020 10:44:01
GFS still trying its hardest to deliver an easterly of sorts but as Brian suggests the HP won't go far enough north to open the floodgates.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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ballamar
09 January 2020 11:02:09
Undercutting low can hopefully prop up sinking high! Or settle for warm southerly. Just another run, always good to see uncertainty
The Beast from the East
09 January 2020 11:04:49

GFS still trying its hardest to deliver an easterly of sorts but as Brian suggests the HP won't go far enough north to open the floodgates.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Good


I really am now an old git as I like the mild these days and I really feel the cold now. Age really does change you (but my politics hasn't!)


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 January 2020 11:16:10

GFS still trying its hardest to deliver an easterly of sorts but as Brian suggests the HP won't go far enough north to open the floodgates.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


GFS is trying its best to give us a winter lets hope its onto something. ECM  still being a Scrooge though. 


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tallyho_83
09 January 2020 11:28:13

06 GFS run - HP tries to build to our north around +240z but then get's flattened so it's only a 2-3 day wonder really for most!! That's if it does verify? -notice that BLOCK over Alaska - it just keeps building forcing areas of LP to sink southwards and into the central and Northern states and Canada to bring winter for them and then it blows up the jet and gets carried along across the N.Atlantic.


Interesting looking at it from a northern Hemisphere view:



 


+252



+264



+276



 


+288



+300 - That Alaskan HP again!?



 


@312 HP starts to sink SE:



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tallyho_83
09 January 2020 11:31:08

Even that HP trying to build to bring us a slack weak 2 day easterly is in a minority and perhaps an outlier too compared to it's ensemble members from the 17th:



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Rob K
09 January 2020 11:33:52
Yes even the fairly uninspiring op run is right at the coldest end of the ensembles for most of the duration. Not much cheer in the GEFS.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Weathermac
09 January 2020 11:52:12

Yes even the fairly uninspiring op run is right at the coldest end of the ensembles for most of the duration. Not much cheer in the GEFS.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Wouldn`t be the first time the Ensembles follow the OP run though so fingers crossed.

tallyho_83
09 January 2020 12:03:43


Even that HP trying to build to bring us a slack weak 2 day easterly is in a minority and perhaps an outlier too compared to it's ensemble members from the 17th:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Rob - Yes even on the 00z run the Operational was amongst the coldest and virtually a outlier between 17th and 22nd like in above 06z run:


Either it's ensemble members will have to shift colder to match operational or the operational will shift milder to match it's ensemble members. the 12z GFS and ECM will be crucial.



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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 12:56:04

The ECM 00z ensemble for London:





At least it looks like a return to normal temperatures but no indication at all of cold weather.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


JACKO4EVER
09 January 2020 13:06:47


The ECM 00z ensemble for London:





At least it looks like a return to normal temperatures but no indication at all of cold weather.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


absolutely, not as mild as it has been but certainly nothing of interest for colder weather fans. 

doctormog
09 January 2020 16:35:43
Good to see the pattern change is now at day 9 on the latest GFS op run.
idj20
09 January 2020 16:49:26

Good to see the pattern change is now at day 9 on the latest GFS op run.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Along with next week's unsettled theme being slightly toned down and not that long lasting. Usually that kind of thing drag on for weeks on end until the first wintry outbreak by April. 


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doctormog
09 January 2020 16:55:53




Along with next week's unsettled theme being slightly toned down and not that long lasting. Usually that kind of thing drag on for weeks on end until the first wintry outbreak by April. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


I would expect a slightly less cyclonic and less mobile pattern based on the hints towards the end of next week. Whether that is still mild or something a bit colder is even less certain. 


nsrobins
09 January 2020 17:11:11
There’s no denying there’s been quite a scene change from week 3 Jan with a significant amplification.
What this means in practice yet to be determined but in order to stop the zonal train you have to start somewhere. It will be interesting to see if we can get a cold shot or two despite a rampant and record breaking PV.
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Rob K
09 January 2020 17:30:05

Another tease from the GFS on the 12Z. The next few frames after the end of the run would probably be quite interesting. Lots of very cold air stored up over Greenland, -30s and below, ready to head south with a bit of high pressure retrogression? Well we can hope...


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 17:40:21


Another tease from the GFS on the 12Z. The next few frames after the end of the run would probably be quite interesting. Lots of very cold air stored up over Greenland, -30s and below, ready to head south with a bit of high pressure retrogression? Well we can hope...


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I have the same thought as I had when there was a brief easterly in the earlier run: the pattern around the Pole needs to break first and there’s no real sign yet.


The 10hPa wind pattern certainly isn’t showing any slackening; if anything the winds are stronger over us by the end:



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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Rob K
09 January 2020 17:42:25


 


I have the same thought as I had when there was a brief easterly in the earlier run: the pattern around the Pole needs to break first and there’s no real sign yet.


The 10hPa wind pattern certainly isn’t showing any slackening; if anything the winds are stronger over us by the end:



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Isn't it chicken and egg though? What will break the pattern over the pole if not high pressure moving north and deflecting the winds?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 17:52:57


 


Isn't it chicken and egg though? What will break the pattern over the pole if not high pressure moving north and deflecting the winds?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Well, you need the jet stream to throttle back and what’s happening in the stratosphere doesn’t suggest that’s going to happen. You’re not going to get upper height rises through a strong jet.


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Brian Gaze
09 January 2020 17:54:53

Possibly signs that high pressure won't have as much influence later this month as was looking likely. Could just be noise but there appear to be more rain spikes in the last few days than on recent updates. Regardless of that the guidance still doesn't suggest a wintry outbreak.



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Brian Gaze
09 January 2020 17:57:35


 


Isn't it chicken and egg though? What will break the pattern over the pole if not high pressure moving north and deflecting the winds?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I saw a Met Office broadcast a few days ago where the presenter was saying, "the reason for this is the..". In this instance I think he mentioned the jet stream. The next question would be why is the jet stream so strong and taking the track it is. The chicken and egg nature of these factors never seems to be addressed. 


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Brian Gaze
09 January 2020 18:08:06

Until very recently the GFS was showing a widespread risk of snow showers this Sunday and at times they were approaching the home counties. Here's the latest view.



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JACKO4EVER
09 January 2020 18:25:15


 


I have the same thought as I had when there was a brief easterly in the earlier run: the pattern around the Pole needs to break first and there’s no real sign yet.


The 10hPa wind pattern certainly isn’t showing any slackening; if anything the winds are stronger over us by the end:



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


thats about as depressing as it could get, strength, organisation and persistence. 

nsrobins
09 January 2020 18:57:22


 


thats about as depressing as it could get, strength, organisation and persistence. 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


But it (PV wind profile) is still just a projection of a model algorithm that is, in all parameters, subject to change. Sometimes quite dramatic change.


Why should this particular parameter at 15 days out be endowed with any more confidence than any other chart at the same range?


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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