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Brian Gaze
09 January 2020 18:58:43


 


But it (PV wind profile) is still just a projection of a model algorithm that is, in all parameters, subject to change. Sometimes quite dramatic change.


Why should this particular parameter at 15 days out be endowed with any more confidence than any other chart at the same range?


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Quite. That is something else I have never understood.


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JACKO4EVER
09 January 2020 19:20:54


 


But it (PV wind profile) is still just a projection of a model algorithm that is, in all parameters, subject to change. Sometimes quite dramatic change.


Why should this particular parameter at 15 days out be endowed with any more confidence than any other chart at the same range?


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


show me something else equally as credible ?


it doesn’t take a huge leap of faith to maintain the status quo given current output. 

Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 19:21:09


 


But it (PV wind profile) is still just a projection of a model algorithm that is, in all parameters, subject to change. Sometimes quite dramatic change.


Why should this particular parameter at 15 days out be endowed with any more confidence than any other chart at the same range?


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I take your point but it’s broadly the same shape and intensity throughout the entire run.


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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 19:22:15


 


Quite. That is something else I have never understood.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Because it’s pretty consistent throughout the 16 days, just tweaks to exact shape and intensity.


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tallyho_83
09 January 2020 19:22:59


 


Rob - Yes even on the 00z run the Operational was amongst the coldest and virtually a outlier between 17th and 22nd like in above 06z run:


Either it's ensemble members will have to shift colder to match operational or the operational will shift milder to match it's ensemble members. the 12z GFS and ECM will be crucial.



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


12 z ENS


Yet again the Operational run is a cold outlier between 17th and 23rd:


I wonder what the ECM will say?



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ballamar
09 January 2020 20:00:42
Quite amazing pattern change showing, colder potential for frost and still people not happy!
SJV
09 January 2020 20:09:36

Quite amazing pattern change showing, colder potential for frost and still people not happy!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


I think 'quite amazing' is stretching it a tad, with all due respect. There may be a change coming but if anything the GEFS signal for higher pressure and a cooler outlook has weakened over the past 24 hours of the output.


FWIW I still think we'll get a quieter, more settled end to the month but I don't see anything too exciting for coldies right now 

idj20
09 January 2020 20:25:45

Quite amazing pattern change showing, colder potential for frost and still people not happy!

Originally Posted by: ballamar 



We still have at least a week of rough & tiresome Atlantic conditions to get through first to get to something that isn't exactly "stellar" and could still be downgraded or "flattened".  Remember how many times we have been down this road, even at shorter time frames.
Also model fatique is setting in and to be honest, I'm now ready for Spring conditions to start as soon as possible.


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Gusty
09 January 2020 20:27:27

Last nights 240 hrs GEFS mean



Tonights 216 hrs GEFS



Last night's 'tease' of a mild high moving up from the south has been watered down on tonight's run for the same time in favour of a more mobile zonal pattern.


 


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jhall
09 January 2020 20:55:06

Interesting development at the end of this evening's ECMWF operational run.


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Arcus
09 January 2020 21:05:35
Models clearly toying with amplitude in FI, which would fit on some predictions of elongated PV into Siberia and N. America longer term. Crumbs from the table in our neck of the woods though.
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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 21:10:47


Interesting development at the end of this evening's ECMWF operational run.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


The signal is now there for a marked pressure rise. The question is exactly where the centre will sit.



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Gusty
09 January 2020 21:17:36


 You omitted ‘Tease’


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Tonights 'end of the run' ECM tease sat very low in the pack. 


No photo description available.


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Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 21:30:53


 


Tonights 'end of the run' ECM tease sat very low in the pack. 


No photo description available.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Assuming that we're still sticking with the first letter T, how about 'tranquilising'?


 


laughing


 


Seriously, at least it's potentially something a little different.


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Gusty
09 January 2020 21:40:39


Assuming that we're still sticking with the first letter T, how about 'tranquilising'?


 


laughing


 Seriously, at least it's potentially something a little different.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


...tranquilising works.


Indeed though GTW, its a little different. It comes to something when we are looking for subtle height rises to our south at 216 hours in an attempt to break us out of this deadlock.


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doctormog
09 January 2020 22:05:41


 


...tranquilising works.


Indeed though GTW, its a little different. It comes to something when we are looking for subtle height rises to our south at 216 hours in an attempt to break us out of this deadlock.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Except subtle “height rises to the south” is not what we are looking at or for. Even if it were it is more than has been evident in the past couple of weeks. Hopefully the trend will continue and we will get some form of pattern change. 


Before all that there is some (very) unsettled conditions to get through. 


Gandalf The White
09 January 2020 23:30:44


 


Except subtle “height rises to the south” is not what we are looking at or for. Even if it were it is more than has been evident in the past couple of weeks. Hopefully the trend will continue and we will get some form of pattern change. 


Before all that there is some (very) unsettled conditions to get through. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


ECM 12z ensemble (sorry, Michael, it's for London again...):



Tentative signs of something below average showing up as the dominant cluster beyond Day 10.  As you say, before that a fair bit of weather to negotiate.


Rainfall (no point in calling it precipitation):


 



 


Wind:



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10 January 2020 07:34:51

GFS has Atlantic-sourced weather, alternating LP and HP. LP 14th Jan, 950 mb Rockall and 24th Jan, 970 mb Shetland; HP 21st Jan, 1045 mb English Channel. The HP brings mild air a long way north and the second LP brings cold air quite a long way south. ECM agrees but places the first LP deeper (935 mb) and further off (S of Iceland)


GEFS line graphs of temp a bit irregular but generally matching the above, cooler with the LP, milder with the HP, rainfall from first LP heaviest S & W, from the second event more in the N. Snow row figures suggest Scottish ski resorts should do quite well if you can pick the days when you don't get blown away!


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ballamar
10 January 2020 12:28:25
GFS looks like a quick return to euro high on this run - change is coming whether it gives any chance of cold looking less likely but a bit colder in a few days time
Gandalf The White
10 January 2020 13:18:57

ECM 00z ensemble for London:




Still a signal for a potential return to normal temperatures from next weekend but nothing dramatic. A few runs do offer very cold weather but they're very much in the minority and similarly a few continue to suggest mild periods.


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Brian Gaze
10 January 2020 13:20:04

Can't recall seeing a worse set of postage stamps than these. 



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Rob K
10 January 2020 13:40:44
Yes what little signs of optimism there were yesterday seem to have vanished again. Nothing seems likely to kill that strong PV any time soon.
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The Beast from the East
10 January 2020 14:10:00


Can't recall seeing a worse set of postage stamps than these. 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Now that I have become a mild booster, these are good for the SE. Would prefer to stay dry and limited wind and hopefully get some sunshine


I have long given up on mid winter deep cold, and we are nearly past that stage now anyway. The evenings are getting longer, and stuff is growing in the garden and insects and snails are active. Climate change (if this is the new normal) will be very good for us going forward in terms of the new things we will be able to grow


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Gandalf The White
10 January 2020 15:06:09


Can't recall seeing a worse set of postage stamps than these. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Remarkably consistent signal for a mostly settled spell with some pleasantly chilly nights and benign days.


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Gusty
10 January 2020 15:18:33


 Remarkably consistent signal for a mostly settled spell with some pleasantly chilly nights and benign days.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


All looking very winter 91/92 after we get rid of next week's atlantic onslaught.


1991/92 was the winter of persistent strato-cumulus.


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