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Bugglesgate
02 March 2020 21:26:26

If you don't have healthcare insurance and present at the "Doc in a box" where the Doc prescribes a test, how much do you think they'll charge you for it?

Having experienced US healthcare first hand, nothing would surprise me. They will check your wallet before they compress a severed artery.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 


 


I've heard similar from people who have worked out there.


Given that, I would say their system is a massively weak link in the global effort to contain this.


They may be "industrious" but that really is  no good if you don't have  the  tool set suitable for the problem in hand.  


...... That's not to say they won't be the first to  create a vaccine for this thing !


 


Chris (It,its)
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Ulric
02 March 2020 21:32:02


I've heard similar from people who have worked out there.


Given that, I would say their system is a massively weak link in the global effort to contain this.


They may be "industrious" but that really no good if you don't have a tool set.  That's not to say they won't be teh first to  create a vaccine fro this thing !


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Yes, the US law requires that a hospital you are taken to in an emergency preserves life as far as possible. Beyond that, they are looking for payment and it's aggressive. Often patients apparently without funds are imprisoned by use of a device called the Foley Catheter, even if there is no reason to insert one. It's applied because you cant remove it and it will blight your very existence until it is removed.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
02 March 2020 21:33:34
There is a massive Iranian style cover up going on in America. Trump only cares about his re-election.
"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 21:35:36

There is a massive Iranian style cover up going on in America. Trump only cares about his re-election.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I disagree. It won't be possible to cover things up in America and TBH we don't really know what is actually happening in Iran. I suspect the US will have hundreds or thousands of cases within a couple of weeks. How they respond will be interesting and possibly historic. 


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Arcus
02 March 2020 21:36:52
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, a professor I talked to today reckoned over 90% of the UK population will contract it within 6 to 9 months, if not earlier.
Ben,
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Ulric
02 March 2020 21:37:09

There is a massive Iranian style cover up going on in America. Trump only cares about his re-election.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


This is true. The US healthcare system is completely incapable of dealing with Covid-19.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
xioni2
02 March 2020 21:39:57


 Don't be.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I've worked and lived in the US for almost 2 years, I'd still be surprised (but not shocked) were this to be true and not just silly/fake news. 

Ally Pally Snowman
02 March 2020 21:40:21

There is a massive Iranian style cover up going on in America. Trump only cares about his re-election.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


If America has a significant outbreak Trump could be in trouble. Bernie's free health care for all might not sound so crazy


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Polar Low
02 March 2020 21:40:30

unless a DNRA order has been signed




 


Yes, the US law requires that a hospital you are taken to in an emergency preserves life as far as possible. Beyond that, they are looking for payment and it's aggressive. Often patients apparently without funds are imprisoned by use of a device called the Foley Catheter, even if there is no reason to insert one. It's applied because you cant remove it and it will blight your very existence until it is removed.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 21:43:48

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, a professor I talked to today reckoned over 90% of the UK population will contract it within 6 to 9 months, if not earlier.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


What is the basis for that? If we assume 500,000 people have contracted it in China during the last 3 or so months that is 0.04% of the population. why should the UK go to 90% in 6 to 9 months?


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Heavy Weather 2013
02 March 2020 21:44:13


 


 


If America has a significant outbreak Trump could be in trouble. Bernie's free health care for all might not sound so crazy


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yes, body’s piling up in the streets (literally) because people don’t have healthcare could be a real scenario that plays out to the US electorate


Mark
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Ulric
02 March 2020 21:45:09


unless a DNRA order has been signed


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


They will leave you in a parking lot to die if that is the case. You won't even get a blanket.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
bowser
02 March 2020 21:47:03


 


What is the basis for that? If we assume 500,000 people have contracted it in China during the last 3 or so months that is 0.04% of the population. why should the UK go to 90% in 6 to 9 months?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


seems high to me. But maybe the assumption is they won’t quarantine say the whole of Yorkshire as China did with Hubei

Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 21:48:05


 


seems high to me. But maybe the assumption is they won’t quarantine say the whole of Yorkshire as China did with Hubei


Originally Posted by: bowser 


On the other hand we have the free flow of information. A very powerful weapon.


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Polar Low
02 March 2020 21:48:59

if that is ones wishes It has to be respected my point is it can’t be overwritten if it is signed.


 




 


They will leave you in a parking lot to die if that is the case. You won't even get a blanket.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

Ulric
02 March 2020 21:49:45


On the other hand we have the free flow of information. A very powerful weapon.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, it's on page 4 of the Russia Report.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Arcus
02 March 2020 21:52:00


 


What is the basis for that? If we assume 500,000 people have contracted it in China during the last 3 or so months that is 0.04% of the population. why should the UK go to 90% in 6 to 9 months?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Believe me I was similarly sceptical. I know he's been an adviser to Government before on other unrelated health issues. My response was "Is this what you think or what those that are advising the Government are saying?"


He just winked. His comment was "We'e all going to get it."


Tomorrow's unveiling of the plan will be interesting. Look at what's been hinted at down the line especially.


 


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Essan
02 March 2020 21:52:21


Often patients apparently without funds are imprisoned by use of a device called the Foley Catheter, even if there is no reason to insert one. It's applied because you cant remove it and it will blight your very existence until it is removed.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 



Wearing tinfoil hats is a 100% guaranteed means of preventing this 


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Ulric
02 March 2020 21:53:32


if that is ones wishes It has to be respected my point is it can’t be overwritten if it is signed.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


People actually sign those to protect their families from bankruptcy, not to ease their passing. Seriously, you have to understand how commercially aggressive US healthcare is to understand.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
02 March 2020 21:55:02


Wearing tinfoil hats is a 100% guaranteed means of preventing this 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Unless you have first hand experience of this, I think you should hold your tongue.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Polar Low
02 March 2020 21:57:04

I take your point from US point of view but I do understand someone who does sign and is old and in a lot of pain I guess as you say I see it as the ease of passing.




 


People actually sign those to protect their families from bankruptcy, not to ease their passing. Seriously, you have to understand how aggressive US healthcare is to understand.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 21:59:39

I see the DOW closed up a massive 5%. 


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Ulric
02 March 2020 22:01:18


I take your point from US point of view but I do understand someone who does sign and is old and in a lot of pain I guess as you say I see it as the ease of passing.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


If you are a middle aged working man and you have a heart attack which requires surgery, standard procedure is to hire a lawyer, divorce your wife, lose everything in the settlement, fly to Canada and collapse in the street in Toronto clutching your chest.


US healthcare is vile. It is morally and ethically reprehensible.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Zubzero
02 March 2020 22:02:36


 


Yes, body’s piling up in the streets (literally) because people don’t have healthcare could be a real scenario that plays out to the US electorate


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Reading a post like this. My main worry over this virus is not the virus itself.


But people's reactions to the crisis. A + point though is in a genuine world wide disaster. The keyboard chickens will soon die out as they will be to scared to venture outdoors in case they catch a cold.

The Beast from the East
02 March 2020 22:06:50


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President

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