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Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 08:38:32


I agree it is a very difficult decision and people will have different views. However, I am concerned that some of the reports now appearing on the BBC have an element of "Germany calling" to them. I sincerely hope this is not the case.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I am not sure I agree with allowing sporting events to go ahead, but I agree completely with keeping schools open, having read some expert opinion on this. Closing schools would do more harm than good it appears, but parents need to be fastidious about hand washing etc, especially when they get home with their children and start preparing food.


I am surprised that football matches etc are still allowed to go ahead - it is not being at the game itself which is the primary issue, but the close proximity in travel to matches and the after match pub.


To avoid the Italian crisis, we don't want the NHS bombed with too many cases all at once.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 08:40:26


I see sky news helping to draw up panic with this misconstrued quote..

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Absolute nonsense!!


The guy in the clip was actually talking of its ability to speed compared to Ebola, but lets face it most wouldn't bother to watch the clip. 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


What idiots!  Sensationalist nonsense. 


But that’s the problem: there’s always another supposed expert out there prepared to give an opinion and media outlets needing a sensational headline.


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Heavy Weather 2013
13 March 2020 08:41:35


 


I am not sure I agree with allowing sporting events to go ahead, but I agree completely with keeping schools open, having read some expert opinion on this. Closing schools would do more harm than good it appears, but parents need to be fastidious about hand washing etc, especially when they get home with their children and start preparing food.


I am surprised that football matches etc are still allowed to go ahead - it is not being at the game itself which is the primary issue, but the close proximity in travel to matches and the after match pub.


To avoid the Italian crisis, we don't want the NHS bombed with too many cases all at once.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I wonder if some parents will take matters into their own hands as panic sets in. Anyone able to confirm the situation on the ground?


 


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 08:43:30


 


Clearly, Hunt is not a gambler.


I am in two minds about this. My preferred strategy would have been the one adopted by countries like Taiwan - close and monitor borders to keep it out. But far too late for that now, so since we are where we are, let's try life as normal for as long as possible - the strategy will only collapse if the NHS is overwhelmed and too many start to die. If we can smooth the peak and get through the next 2 months, then fine.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 So be a man and reinstate your flight to Copenhagen. I've done 4 flights in the last week and I detest them at the best of times. 


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 08:44:27


 


I wonder if some parents will take matters into their own hands as panic sets in. Anyone able to confirm the situation on the ground?


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Around here parents have been doing that for several days. 


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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 08:46:01


 


 


Not true


 



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


As I said, scaled up for population size Singapore is seeing the equivalent of around 200 cases a day (UK 65m, Singapore 5.7m). A graph that just shows cases is meaningless.


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Justin W
13 March 2020 08:46:39


 


As I said, scaled up for population size Singapore is seeing the equivalent of around 200 cases a day (UK 65m, Singapore 5.7m). A graph that just shows cases is meaningless.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


And Japan?


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
chelseagirl
13 March 2020 08:50:49


 


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Roger


 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I also had a call from my DN yesterday, reiterating this. Mind you, good control is what we should be aiming for anyway at all times.  I shall test a little more often (my poor fingers ), washing hands is second nature having worked in health areas for many years. Living in Norfolk, we are pretty isolated here so it may be a little easier to keep myself to myself. Hubby worked for Highways England, and although he can do some work from home, not all obviously, there has been no suggestion to do so. They do have their vehicles cleaned every 3 hours tho. At least he is taking it a little more seriously now since seeing PM statement last night. 


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13 March 2020 08:51:21

I had to go daughters school yesterday evening to talk about GCSE subjects. Of course the Covid subject came up.


One teacher had heard next Wednesday is closure day another Friday, all with an extended Easter holiday.


One teacher with mathematical modelling skills said the Govt is probably correct in putting off closure time but he thinks they have to get it right and will have no more than a 24 hour slot to bring it in to achieve the best results with minimal impact on NHS.


It’s the TIMING though that seemed the general consensus last night.


Otherwise the NHS could be bombed into submission which is not in anyone's interests in the UK.


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 08:57:46

Just heard the F1 has been after all.  


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Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 08:57:52


 


 So be a man and reinstate your flight to Copenhagen. I've done 4 flights in the last week and I detest them at the best of times. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



I am not going to take unnecessary risks and besides, there is no point. Denmark is completely closed down, including the office I normally work at - all staff have been sent home to work remotely if they can. Glad I cancelled my flight back in January, since it would have been pointless now in any case. Like Quantum, I was ahead of the curve


New world order coming.
westv
13 March 2020 08:59:46


Just heard the F1 has been after all.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Has been what? Called off? that was done yesterday.


At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
13 March 2020 09:00:30


 


 


Not true


 



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Apologies, you are correct about Singapore but not Japan.


For the last 10 days (earliest first) the figures are:


Singapore: 16%, 14%, 13%, 12%, 10%, 10%, 10%, 9%, 5%, 6%


Japan - 6%, 6%, 12%, 10%, 17%, 12%, 7%, 5%, 11%, 9%


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 09:01:47


 


Has been what? Called off? that was done yesterday.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Just read it has been called off. Not sure what took so long. 


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speckledjim
13 March 2020 09:02:28


 


I wonder if some parents will take matters into their own hands as panic sets in. Anyone able to confirm the situation on the ground?


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


So far nothing at my daughters schools. All my friends are continuing to send them in and have zero intention of keeping them off. 


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Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 09:04:26


 


So far nothing at my daughters schools. All my friends are continuing to send them in and have zero intention of keeping them off. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I would say that being an island has helped.


Look at our early cases - middle and upper class people who fly places, especially on skiing holidays in the Alps.


So it is not widespread in the working classes, unlike in those countries with a land border.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 09:05:46


 


So far nothing at my daughters schools. All my friends are continuing to send them in and have zero intention of keeping them off. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


My daughter is an independent adult. If she was still at school I think we would be keeping her at home now. However, Berkhamsted / Herts is a hotspot and perhaps we are a week or so ahead of many other parts of the UK.


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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 09:09:14


 


And Japan?


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


What does it say on the graph?


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Justin W
13 March 2020 09:09:23


 


Apologies, you are correct about Singapore but not Japan.


For the last 10 days (earliest first) the figures are:


Singapore: 16%, 14%, 13%, 12%, 10%, 10%, 10%, 9%, 5%, 6%


Japan - 6%, 6%, 12%, 10%, 17%, 12%, 7%, 5%, 11%, 9%


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Thanks, Jim 


 


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Gavin D
13 March 2020 09:14:28

David M Porter
13 March 2020 09:17:35


 


I would say that being an island has helped.


Look at our early cases - middle and upper class people who fly places, especially on skiing holidays in the Alps.


So it is not widespread in the working classes, unlike in those countries with a land border.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I'm not sure what the entire population of the UK is according to the last census. However, the fact that, as you say, we are an island and there are fewer people living here overall compared to some of the other countries affected might just spare us the worst of this.


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 09:22:52


 


So we're aiming at about 500,000 Brit civilian deaths if Whitty is right about mortality being a tad under 1%. About 8x as many as Hitler managed. If the dude from Hong Kong is right with 1.4% then we ratchet that up towards 3/4 million. If that is the best strategy available I shudder to think of the alternatives. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Vallance reckons 60% will be enough for "herd immunity". That obviously raises a number of questions and also suggests "selfish" behaviour could be very advantageous. On the plus side it reduces my UK death count to between 300,000 to 600,000 at a guess.  


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speckledjim
13 March 2020 09:25:46


 


My daughter is an independent adult. If she was still at school I think we would be keeping her at home now. However, Berkhamsted / Herts is a hotspot and perhaps we are a week or so ahead of many other parts of the UK.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I don’t think closing schools makes any difference. If you take Singapore and Japan as examples as they are weeks ahead of any country in Europe then the evidence is not there. Singapore did not close their schools and the daily rate of increase has dropped and they are managing it well. On the other hand Japanese schools have been closed for 2 weeks and there has been no improvement. We obviously need a lot more data to be sure one way or the other but I’m certainly not convinced at the moment.


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Gavin D
13 March 2020 09:32:20
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xioni2
13 March 2020 09:33:02


 What baffles me is not that there are some scientists who disagree with the timing and extent of measures in this country, that is normal. To think that we know better than the CSO or CMO is almost laughable if it weren’t so frustrating. They are not acting from political motivation rather based on a lifetime of professional experience, research and collaboration with many many scientists and medical professionals.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I agree with all this, but it's normal to question why our curve flattening strategy is so different than most other countries. Some of them also have top notch experts.


 

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