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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:35:24


France latest country to go full lockdown.  This will happen here it has to happen here it is the only way to slow/stop this disease. Otherwise we won't just be italy we will be Iran. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Disagree - a softly, softly approach is required. A full lockdown is only required if pressures in the NHS start to get completely out of hand - there is still the hope and the prospect that won't happen, if people follow the basic rules - self isolate if feeling unwell and always wash hands.

New world order coming.
SJV
14 March 2020 19:36:21


France latest country to go full lockdown.  This will happen here it has to happen here it is the only way to slow/stop this disease. Otherwise we won't just be italy we will be Iran. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


That's the intention though, right? We'll only lockdown, or something to that effect, to delay the spread to allow hospitals to cope; other times letting the virus run rampant through the fit and healthy to build future immunity.


I'm not sure I'm on board, but I'm not an expert so I'll nervously wait and see.

Justin W
14 March 2020 19:37:00


 


You have a trade off between unacceptable economic impacts and unacceptable pressures on health services.


As an aside, we went to Worcester today and everything was perfectly normal as for any Saturday. The town centre was busy, the shops were busy, people were walking along the river and I saw probably only two people in face masks for the whole time we were there.


What is it that drives the change to force people into staying at home, shutting all pubs and restaurants and schools? I really do think that is all an over-reaction. Things are upside down and inside out - the early responses should have been travel restrictions and then the crazy responses we are now seeing in many countries would not have been necessary. Strict travel restrictions would have managed the caseload down. Sorry, but that has to be a fact - the fewer infected people entering the country the better (in the early days).


Our saving grace in the UK is our moat and the timing - it hit those who go skiing, but not the multitudes who head for the Costas from Easter onwards.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


China proved that lockdowns work, Richard. That doesn't mean that they will be the right thing for us but it is obvious that uncontrolled in-country transmission has a massive impact. 

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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 19:37:36


 


Point me to my 'inaccurate rubbish'. And dial down the indignation. It is unedifying.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


ROFL. Your last contribution was inaccurate rubbish.


You would do well to dial down your supercilious attitude.


Can we move on please. You are being self-indulgent as well as wrong.

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Caz
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14 March 2020 19:38:19


Authentic NHS documentation has the NHS logo on it and tends not to use American spelling and terminology. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

   The NHS wouldn’t use yellow text on a blue background either!  Due to colour blindness!

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Justin W
14 March 2020 19:39:28


 


ROFL. Your last contribution was inaccurate rubbish.


You would do well to dial down your supercilious attitude.


Can we move on please. You are being self-indulgent as well as wrong.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


So the previous contribution (which was not aimed at you but Michael) which you jumped on was not inaccurate rubbish? And you want to 'move on' but can't quite do so without desperately trying to have the last word?


Bizarre. Just bizarre.

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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:40:08


 


China proved that lockdowns work, Richard. That doesn't mean that they will be the right thing for us but it is obvious that uncontrolled in-country transmission has a massive impact. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


This is the risk - but when China locked down they already faced an Italy scenario in Hubei. The problem now for China is that the lockdown inhibited the spread, but they still don't have herd immunity - unless mass vaccination is possible within 6 months, I would wager there will be a second epidemic in China and another lock down.


We are all guinea pigs in this and only time will tell.

New world order coming.
doctormog
14 March 2020 19:40:29


   The NHS wouldn’t use yellow text on a blue background either!  Due to colour blindness!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Good point Caz, I had forgotten about that!

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Ally Pally Snowman
14 March 2020 19:40:53


 


That's the intention though, right? We'll only lockdown, or something to that effect, to delay the spread to allow hospitals to cope; other times letting the virus run rampant through the fit and healthy to build future immunity.


I'm not sure I'm on board, but I'm not an expert so I'll nervously wait and see.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


 


It just won't work I think we have already dropped the ball here and its too late already to stop at least Italy type numbers in the next couple of weeks. And when we get 100s dying a day then the government will have no option like Italy to go full lockdown.  And probably for at least 2 months.


 

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Caz
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14 March 2020 19:42:45


Disagree - a softly, softly approach is required. A full lockdown is only required if pressures in the NHS start to get completely out of hand - there is still the hope and the prospect that won't happen, if people follow the basic rules - self isolate if feeling unwell and always wash hands.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:43:56


 


 


It just won't work I think we have already dropped the ball here and its too late already to stop at least Italy type numbers in the next couple of weeks. And when we get 100s dying a day then the government will have no option like Italy to go full lockdown.  And probably for at least 2 months.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Not necessarily - we don't have land borders and if people follow the basic rules. Time will tell.  In the meantime, live well and drink wine - that is what I am doing.


Image result for wine gif

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Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 19:44:16


 


Looks like fake news


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


That's a relief. Must admit it looked so out of line with everything else we've seen.


Thanks. 

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Heavy Weather 2013
14 March 2020 19:48:00


 


 


It just won't work I think we have already dropped the ball here and its too late already to stop at least Italy type numbers in the next couple of weeks. And when we get 100s dying a day then the government will have no option like Italy to go full lockdown.  And probably for at least 2 months.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


You can bet your bottom dollar that if the deaths creep up into the 100s the papers will turn.


I totally disagree with the herd immunity approach. It’s a dangerous strategy one which I think will ultimately fail and  leave a devastating stain on this country. 

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Arcus
14 March 2020 19:51:48


 


People may well test positive again but that doesn't mean they are infectious or redevelop symptoms.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There can be positives after negatives as viral load fluctuates as the patient recovers. However it is misleading to say that people cannot develop a recurrence of the virus and become symptomatic and transmissible once more. This is an area that is being closely looked at.  

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Ally Pally Snowman
14 March 2020 19:52:01


 


Not necessarily - we don't have land borders and if people follow the basic rules. Time will tell.  In the meantime, live well and drink wine - that is what I am doing.


Image result for wine gif


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


How many land borders does italy or Iran have with China.  Once it's out of control which I believe it is in this country strict lockdowns are your only hope.


 


 

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Polar Low
14 March 2020 19:54:59

People who are self-isolating with mild symptoms are no longer being tested for the virus. The government said on Friday it estimated the true number of UK cases to be around 5,000 to 10,000.

Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:56:29


How many land borders does italy or Iran have with China.  Once it's out of control which I believe it is in this country strict lockdowns are your only hope.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Iran and Italy have specific circumstances - Iran did not lock down its relationship with China at all, so they got the full import. It is not so clear where the original cases in northern Italy originated, but they do know that basic mistakes were made in the early weeks which meant they epidemic had already taken hold before they knew about it.


You cannot save a nation by destroying its economy - what Italy and some other countries are doing, will cause ruination for many businesses. The new problem after the epidemic has passed (and it always will) will be mass unemployment and social dislocation.

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Caz
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14 March 2020 19:56:30


 How many land borders does italy or Iran have with China.  Once it's out of control which I believe it is in this country strict lockdowns are your only hope.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

If you believe it’s out of control, a lockdown will only keep it in.  It won’t reduce the numbers infected!

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Whether Idle
14 March 2020 19:57:14


 


You can bet your bottom dollar that if the deaths creep up into the 100s the papers will turn.


I totally disagree with the herd immunity approach. It’s a dangerous strategy one which I think will ultimately fail and  leave a devastating stain on this country. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think apart from a few Tory knuckle brains, the Tory gutter press, and the usual lemming like people who believe HMG actually have our best interest at heart (LOL), I think most people are now coming realise the dangerous deathly folly of the governments approach to this potential apocalypse.


I expect a U turn ( and lockdown within the week) and the blaming and shaming of the old experts as some new ones are drafted in.  By Wednesday at the latest.

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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:57:31


People who are self-isolating with mild symptoms are no longer being tested for the virus. The government said on Friday it estimated the true number of UK cases to be around 5,000 to 10,000.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


The more mild cases the better, provided they follow the rules and self isolate.

New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
14 March 2020 19:58:28


People who are self-isolating with mild symptoms are no longer being tested for the virus. The government said on Friday it estimated the true number of UK cases to be around 5,000 to 10,000.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Indeed - I think that's good news, don't you? It means for the vast majority this isn't particularly threatening.

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Polar Low
14 March 2020 19:58:47

Forgot source sorry


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51889957




 


The more mild cases the better, provided they follow the rules and self isolate.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Arcus
14 March 2020 19:58:54


 


Disagree - a softly, softly approach is required. A full lockdown is only required if pressures in the NHS start to get completely out of hand - there is still the hope and the prospect that won't happen, if people follow the basic rules - self isolate if feeling unwell and always wash hands.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, I would say however that the lock-down will occur, and it is going to occur well before the NHS pressures get out of control. Because that's the point of the strategy - to mitigate pressure on the healthcare system over the longer term and avoid getting to that point of over-stressing the system

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Maunder Minimum
14 March 2020 19:58:58


 


I think apart from a few Tory knuckle brains, the Tory gutter press, and the usual lemming like people who believe HMG actually have our best interest at heart (LOL), I think most people are now coming realise the dangerous deathly folly of the governments approach to this potential apocalypse.


I expect a U turn ( and lockdown within the week) and the blaming and shaming of the old experts as some new ones are drafted in.  By Wednesday at the latest.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Oh please! This is not a party political issue, the issue is one of taking the best advice and following it. The Shadow Health Secretary on Newsnight the other night, broadly agrees with the approach being taken. No point wrecking the economy, so let's try to get through this as best we can.

New world order coming.
Ally Pally Snowman
14 March 2020 20:01:16


If you believe it’s out of control, a lockdown will only keep it in.  It won’t reduce the numbers infected!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


It won't reduce it but it will drastically slow it down and give the NHS a chance. 

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