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Tom Oxon
16 March 2020 00:15:55

This really does say it all.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/uk-covid-19-strategy-questions-unanswered-coronavirus-outbreak?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


A  decision on a u-turn and France-style lockdown in this country is inevitable in the coming week IMO.



We are uniquely advantaged by being an island nation. IMO it makes total sense to lock down like France and close the borders save for food and drink imports, we will get off very lightly if we do this now.


S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Retron
16 March 2020 04:29:02


For all the reasons already discussed. Closing schools for instance - what would it achieve, other than forcing parents (including NHS workers) to chose work or possibly dumping the children on grandparents?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Then those workers would have to stay home, as per the plans - it's coming sooner or later anyway. And what happens normally during the summer holidays when kids are off for 5 weeks, or even Easter (in 2 weeks' time)?


Leaving schools open is a great way to infect everyone. As the kids show little to no symptoms, it'll pass around like wildfire and then, when they go home, they infect everyone else. Closing them makes perfect sense: although kids will still play together, they won't be filing past hundreds of other kids each day in the corridors and playgrounds and as such the rate of spread will slow.


It's why schools will end up closing and I'd imagine it'll be sooner rather than later.


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
16 March 2020 04:42:45


so who is going to home school kids for months on end if both parents work? By the way I don’t have this issue as I don’t work so if my kids are home for months on end then so be it. I just don’t see how we can close schools for such a long time when you have kids doing gcse and a levels. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


If both parents work, one or other will have to give up if the kids are young enough to need childcare. Yes, the government will need to act to ensure parents doing this are protected, in the same way (for example) if you go on maternity leave you're legally entitled to return to work afterwards.


As for exams, it's not a life-or-death situation if they're delayed until the summer, or even later. Schools are already planning, FWIW, for exam season to be pushed back by at least a month.


(And if grades are lower overall, there will of course be dispensation for it - it won't just be one child affected, after all!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
16 March 2020 04:46:04

Here's the new legislation, straight from the source!

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/introduction/made


EDIT: Here's the bit about enforcing the quarantine rules:


Enforcement

13.—(1) Where a requirement is imposed on a person to be detained or kept in isolation under regulation 4, 5 or 8, a constable may do any of the following—

(a)take the person to a suitable place, specified by the Secretary of State or a public health officer, for the person’s detention or isolation;

(b)keep the person in detention or isolation.

(2) Where a person absconds from detention or isolation imposed under regulation 4, 5 or 8, a constable may take the person into custody and return the person to the place of detention or isolation, or take the person to another suitable place specified by a public health officer.

(3) A constable may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of a power under this regulation.


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
16 March 2020 04:56:53

And the final post from me for now - the Tele's lead story includes this:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/15/public-face-prison-1000-fine-refusing-coronavirus-tests/


The Prime Minister will on Monday chair a meeting of the COBR emergency committee, which is expected to discuss plans around shielding elderly and vulnerable people, household isolation and mass gatherings.


Whitehall sources have already indicated that large events could be banned from next weekend, and Scotland is bringing in restrictions of gatherings of more than 500 people from Monday.


Other measures, including school closures, are also being considered as an option to combat the spread of the virus.


Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 05:29:52


And the final post from me for now - the Tele's lead story includes this:


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/15/public-face-prison-1000-fine-refusing-coronavirus-tests/


The Prime Minister will on Monday chair a meeting of the COBR emergency committee, which is expected to discuss plans around shielding elderly and vulnerable people, household isolation and mass gatherings.


Whitehall sources have already indicated that large events could be banned from next weekend, and Scotland is bringing in restrictions of gatherings of more than 500 people from Monday.


Other measures, including school closures, are also being considered as an option to combat the spread of the virus.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Darren, from your perspective what sort of notice would you need to close a school. I assume from the prep work you’ve done this could be done almost immediately. 

If schools are to close this week, I suspect you’ll would get clearer and something more definitive 


 


Mark
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NMA
  • NMA
  • Advanced Member
16 March 2020 06:33:30

Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


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Elevation 60m 197ft
haghir22
16 March 2020 06:36:49


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted thngs such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


 


Applause emoji.....


YNWA
Lionel Hutz
16 March 2020 06:49:26


 


Darren, from your perspective what sort of notice would you need to close a school. I assume from the prep work you’ve done this could be done almost immediately. 

If schools are to close this week, I suspect you’ll would get clearer and something more definitive 


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I'm obviously not Darren, but I can tell you that in Ireland, our PM simply announced around midday last Thursday that schools were closing. Children went home as normal that evening and schools didn't reopen the next morning. So schools can be closed more or less immediately. Setting home work is another matter but that can be arranged even after the schools close.


 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Devonian
16 March 2020 06:52:22


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


I think that is a good take on it this morning. Lets hope it turns out that way.


 

Retron
16 March 2020 07:00:29


Darren, from your perspective what sort of notice would you need to close a school. I assume from the prep work you’ve done this could be done almost immediately. 

If schools are to close this week, I suspect you’ll would get clearer and something more definitive 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


In theory the school could be closed at any time, albeit unlikely. I don't believe the head of the Trust, though, as he told the various heads of his schools this morning that "the need to close schools has passed". Goodness knows where he got that from! There's a feeling of inevitability in the place this morning that we won't be doing this for much longer.


Anyway, in theory the school could close tomorrow and lessons would go on. It'd be better from the school's point of view if we had the whole week, though, just to get everyone used to using Gsuite.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 07:36:59

People on Twitter are saying the UK is underreporting recovery figures because Arteta is feeling better and isn't included. It shows how bloody stupid we as a nation have become. I really despair. 


Brian Gaze
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doctormog
16 March 2020 07:38:40


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Is it wrong that I read this in my head using the voice of Morgan Freeman? 


 


(That aside )


howham
16 March 2020 07:44:08


 


Is it wrong that I read this in my head using the voice of Morgan Freeman? 


 


(That aside )


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Would have been better if you read it aloud in the voice of Morgan Freeman... laughing

roadrunnerajn
16 March 2020 07:44:17

This radio is reporting that a vaccine will be really to start testing on people by the end of the week. False hope? or a case of the world working together for the first time....


Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic.
Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 07:48:37


People on Twitter are saying the UK is underreporting recovery figures because Arteta is feeling better and isn't included. It shows how bloody stupid we as a nation have become. I really despair. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


None of the published figures mean anything other than as a measure of whether things are descending or ascending. Millions will have been infected worldwide, but since thankfully, most pull through with minor symptoms, the figures don't register - the headline worldwide figure of 170k is a joke, except in as much as the graphic shows whether the contagion is spreading faster or slower.


The real figures which matter on the ground are the hospitalisation rate and the CFR. What is causing the panic and shutdown in some countries is the hospitalisation rate as health services collapse under the strain, but that does not detract from the fact that most people get over this virus without requiring hospitalisation.


The figure I would like the government to publish on a daily basis therefore, is the number of hospital admissions caused by COVID-19.


P.S. Now really is the perfect time to be getting on with this kind of thing:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51896816


 


New world order coming.
speckledjim
16 March 2020 07:53:39


 


None of the published figures mean anything other than as a measure of whether things are descending or ascending. Millions will have been infected worldwide, but since thankfully, most pull through with minor symptoms, the figures don't register - the headline worldwide figure of 170k is a joke, except in as much as the graphic shows whether the contagion is spreading faster or slower.


The real figures which matter on the ground are the hospitalisation rate and the CFR. What is causing the panic and shutdown in some countries is the hospitalisation rate as health services collapse under the strain, but that does not detract from the fact that most people get over this virus without requiring hospitalisation.


The figure I would like the government to publish on a daily basis therefore, is the number of hospital admissions caused by COVID-19.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Absolutely, and it would be good to know the profile of the individuals too


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
westv
16 March 2020 07:58:21


People on Twitter are saying the UK is underreporting recovery figures because Arteta is feeling better and isn't included. It shows how bloody stupid we as a nation have become. I really despair. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


If it's on Twitter it must be true.


At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 07:58:32


 


None of the published figures mean anything other than as a measure of whether things are descending or ascending. Millions will have been infected worldwide, but since thankfully, most pull through with minor symptoms, the figures don't register - the headline worldwide figure of 170k is a joke, except in as much as the graphic shows whether the contagion is spreading faster or slower.


The real figures which matter on the ground are the hospitalisation rate and the CFR. What is causing the panic and shutdown in some countries is the hospitalisation rate as health services collapse under the strain, but that does not detract from the fact that most people get over this virus without requiring hospitalisation.


The figure I would like the government to publish on a daily basis therefore, is the number of hospital admissions caused by COVID-19.


P.S. Now really is the perfect time to be getting on with this kind of thing:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51896816


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Until a healthy high profile celeb dies many in the UK won't take it seriously. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Justin W
16 March 2020 08:01:50


 


Until a healthy high profile celeb dies many in the UK won't take it seriously. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Is this a joke or are you being serious? 



Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 08:04:38


 


Is this a joke or are you being serious? 



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


That's my sort of tube train!


Many are taking it seriously of course. However, there is the usual collection of conspiracy nutters who aren't. They could turn into "super spreaders".  


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 08:10:54


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Wow! What a beautifully crafted post with some really important and relevant messages.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


westv
16 March 2020 08:12:38
Last week I found the peak Met and Jubilee line services as busy as normal.
At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
16 March 2020 08:22:08
Most of the worlds airlines could go bankrupt by the end of May without help from the government and industry

https://news.sky.com/story/most-world-airlines-could-be-bankrupt-by-end-of-may-aviation-consultancy-11958150 
Ally Pally Snowman
16 March 2020 08:24:22


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


 


Instant classic TWO post , stunning words 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.

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