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16 March 2020 16:27:05
A lot of people including a neighbour and her friend are convinced they probably had it already between December and February before anyone was even looking for it - all the known symptoms and in some cases a plausible potential source identified.

Gooner
16 March 2020 16:28:13


 


Again mixed messages. The stats from the last couple of days would on the face of it suggest the opposite. However, I know there is confusion about today's numbers and therefore I could be wrong.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Agreed , this was reported live on N24 from Simon McCoy 


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:29:16


I'm not convinced there is a massive reservoir of undiagnosed cases. If there was how would Asian countries be able to keep numbers under control? Makes no sense to me.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Then it's massive coincidence that such a ludicrously high proportion of sportspeople & politicians have contracted it in comparison to 'ordinary' people.


And those people - like Arteta and Hudson-Odoi (and a number of reported others) - who have recovered but had hardly any symptoms must be virtually unique, and not pretty representative of the population at large.


 


 



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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:31:47


 


Hmmm my thoughts too maybe there is several days lag , but have to be honest I was expecting cases of 300 - 400 a day being reported by now, consistantly


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


I don't know who the current test figures relate to (is this due to the pathetic delays in getting test results back?) but you're not going to get substantial numbers without proper and widespread testing.


It smacks of the government manipulating figures to make it appear their actions are keeping cases down.



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Gooner
16 March 2020 16:37:03

In say that I cant see the NHS or PHE fudging the figures ………………...surely ?


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 16:37:55


 


 


I don't know who the current test figures relate to (is this due to the pathetic delays in getting test results back?) but you're not going to get substantial numbers without proper and widespread testing.


It smacks of the government manipulating figures to make it appear their actions are keeping cases down.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yesterday the press reported 232. The department of health now shows there were in fact 330


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 16:38:40


 


 


Then it's massive coincidence that such a ludicrously high proportion of sportspeople & politicians have contracted it in comparison to 'ordinary' people.


And those people - like Arteta and Hudson-Odoi (and a number of reported others) - who have recovered but had hardly any symptoms must be virtually unique, and not pretty representative of the population at large.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That's a good point. However, are you sure Arteta has recovered? I know his wife has been tweating that but I thought a classic "symptom" was feeling better for a time before it hits hard?  


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:41:18


In say that I cant see the NHS or PHE fudging the figures ………………...surely ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


No. I don't think anyone is straight out lying.


But by only testing a small minority of suspected cases - and this is a government policy, not PHE or NHS - they are ensuring that the full picture in terms of numbers is hidden and the official numbers kept deliberately low.


 



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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 16:42:01

WHO is absolutely right IMHO. We really need a better idea of how many cases there are. If many have had it without realising then random tests of the well should be done. I'd be happy to volunteer as I'm confident most or many others would.



  • WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test"


 


 


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:51:01


 


That's a good point. However, are you sure Arteta has recovered? I know his wife has been tweating that but I thought a classic "symptom" was feeling better for a time before it hits hard?  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


He was widely quoted on Saturday as 'feeling better already'. He was tested presumably in response to him having had contact with the Notts Forest owner (who announced last Tuesday he had been confirmed as positive), rather than Arteta having symptoms himself, and it was confirmed on Thursday that Arteta had it.



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westv
16 March 2020 16:51:12


 


 


No. I don't think anyone is straight out lying.


But by only testing a small minority of suspected cases - and this is a government policy, not PHE or NHS - they are ensuring that the full picture in terms of numbers is hidden and the official numbers kept deliberately low.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It's only policy because that is what they have been advised to do by the experts.


At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:52:10


WHO is absolutely right IMHO. We really need a better idea of how many cases there are. If many have had it without realising then random tests of the well should be done. I'd be happy to volunteer as I'm confident most or many others would.



  • WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test"


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Agree completely.



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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 16:53:02


 


That's a good point. However, are you sure Arteta has recovered? I know his wife has been tweating that but I thought a classic "symptom" was feeling better for a time before it hits hard?  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I thought the reports said it was a number of days of flu-like symptoms and then, for the more critical cases, it became more serious if the upper respiratory tract infection worsened, leading to the lungs filling with fluid and starving the body of oxygen?


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 16:53:23
Big escalation in advise from the government
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Caz
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16 March 2020 16:54:01


WHO is absolutely right IMHO. We really need a better idea of how many cases there are. If many have had it without realising then random tests of the well should be done. I'd be happy to volunteer as I'm confident most or many others would.



  • WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test" 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

While I agree the only way of getting accurate figures is to test, test, test.  I really cannot see us having the resources to do that and the practicalities/logistics would be a nightmare!  


Apart from having enough testing kits, lab equipment and staff to do the tests, get them to the lab and do the analysis, process and send out results etc, they’d have to set up dedicated testing stations.  That would mean all those who have mild symptoms and all those who ‘just want to know’ would be queueing and waiting together.  It’s really not practical  


As much as we’d all like to know the exact figures, for peace of mind, the NHS are doing better by concentrate on those who need treatment. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 16:54:05
Working from home now a core message.
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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:55:03


 


It's only policy because that is what they have been advised to do by the experts.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Which experts?


We have other experts saying it's imperative that governments "test, test, test"


If the reason some UK experts have said only test [initially] those with proven contact with a confirmed infected, and now are saying just test hospitalised victims, then that would be in response to the government's lack of investment in testing resources.


 



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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 16:57:17


As much as we’d all like to know the exact figures, for peace of mind, the NHS are doing better by concentrate on those who need treatment. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


It's a legitimate point. But it means the figures aren't worth the A4 sheet they're written on, and the CFR's are horribly skewed to give a much more scary figure than is actually the case (they've likely to be well under 1%)



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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 16:58:29
PM asking Londoners to avoid all unnecessary contact.

Avoid bars and pubs. But nothing explicit.

There are specifics. But I have to say it’s not clear.

Apparently elderly need to start with 12 week isolation from this week
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John p
16 March 2020 17:01:28
Nothing on school closures though?
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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 17:04:23
There is nothing really concrete and enforced from what I am hearing.

Boris really doesn’t do serious too well.
Mark
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SJV
16 March 2020 17:06:03
Advice but nothing enforced. We really are a pathetic country.
speckledjim
16 March 2020 17:06:12
Spain has shut its land borders
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Gooner
16 March 2020 17:06:17

Nothing on school closures though?

Originally Posted by: John p 


Not at this time 


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Gooner
16 March 2020 17:07:24

There is nothing really concrete and enforced from what I am hearing.

Boris really doesn’t do serious too well.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Very strange 


With regards large gatherings , they aren't banned just not supported by services 


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