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Heavy Weather 2013
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:42:33 AM


"Operation Last Gasp"


Get this clown out of office now 


https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1239818030676357120?s=21


Originally Posted by: John p 


I said yesterday Boris doesn’t do serious. This is deplorable if true. You have to question whether he is taking this whole issue seriously.


 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:43:08 AM


That’s my current thinking and another reason to delay closure for as long as possible. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Surely a reason to shut as soon as possible? If the rest of the school year is a write-off why stay open for the sake of 10 meaningless days?

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Brian Gaze
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:45:42 AM



And still people don’t get this. To prevent thousands of deaths, virtually all communal activity has to stop immediately.


Everybody’s circumstances are exactly the same: we all have a responsibility to prevent this virus killing tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of people.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Absolutely right. 


I will say that Quantum was right in January to fear this virus., although I still think his preparations at the time were over the top.  I can only offer my apologies to him.


On the subject of the UK's response it has been risible. We now know the NHS is not best in world, in fact it is far from it. Italy has twice as many ICU beds per capita and Germany five times the number. The UK government has been aware of that all along and should have acted accordingly. We are told (and I know it is true) the UK has some of the best experts in the world. Unfortunately I don't think Whitty and Vallance can be among them. If they were how on earth is it possible for the strategy which was adopted a few days ago to be unceremoniously dumped 72 hours later? The modelling data really can't have changed significantly in that time and they only had to look at other countries to see what is happening. A number of us were speculating last week that the "herd immunity" approach meant total UK deaths would be several times greater than Hitler managed in WW2.   

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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doctormog
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:47:22 AM


 


Surely a reason to shut as soon as possible? If the rest of the school year is a write-off why stay open for the sake of 10 meaningless days?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest of their lives? 

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
speckledjim
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48:26 AM
Corbyn is ignoring govt advice and carrying on as normal. How does that help?
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Heavy Weather 2013
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:49:28 AM


 


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest if their lives? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Exams can be rescheduled. What about a life?

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Retron
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:52:11 AM


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest of their lives? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Do them in September, or whenever schools re-open. Everyone will be in the same boat, so it won't matter.


Anyway, almost time to start work now - have fun folks!

Leysdown, north Kent
Justin W
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:54:41 AM


 


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest of their lives? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 




Are you being serious???


 

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Rob K
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:56:52 AM


 


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest of their lives? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Everyone is in the same boat. If a school year has to be repeated then so be it. A year might seem like an eternity when you are at school but it really isn’t, in the scheme of things. Keeping the schools open could very well determine “the rest of people’s lives” in a far more drastic sense. 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
doctormog
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:56:52 AM


 


Exams can be rescheduled. What about a life?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I meant specifics. Do people take a year out, or do the universities delay opening and so. It was not a rhetorical question, it was an enquiry so your sound bites do not help or add anything of worth.


It is a question people (including examination bodies) are really struggling with currently so I was wondering what a workable solution was. I do wonder if Darren’s suggestion, however complicated it may be, would be the only workable one as indeed “everyone will be in the same boat”?

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:58:21 AM


I'm getting you Caz but how much damage can 2 weeks do in schools with over a 1,000 pupils  


10 school days is absolutely nothing 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

If parents take care to protect their households with social distancing, self isolating etc, there’s less chance of sending their children to school with the virus.  The ones at risk will be those in crowded staff rooms, but again, if self isolation measures are followed, there’s less risk. 

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DEW
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  • Advanced Member
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:58:46 AM


 The modelling data really can't have changed significantly in that time and they only had to look at other countries to see what is happening. A number of us were speculating last week that the "herd immunity" approach meant total UK deaths would be several times greater than Hitler managed in WW2.   


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Ominously, Spanish Flu in 1918 killed more people world wide than all the combatants who died in WW1

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
doctormog
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:58:59 AM



 


What do you think the recommendation should be for those doing exams that will determine the rest of their lives? 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 




Are you being serious???


 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes, I was wondering what the recommendations should be or if anyone had an idea for a good solution to a problem that will (while nowhere near as serious) outlast the pandemic. So, yes I am being serious and don’t twist the implication to my question. It was a question not a criticism. It is a question many families will be wondering about and understandably. That does not mean it is a priority compared with people’s health.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Rob K
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:00:58 AM


 


I meant specifics. Do people take a year out, or do the universities delay opening and so. It was not a rhetorical question, it was an enquiry so your sound bites do not help or add anything of worth.


It is a question people (including examination bodies) are really struggling with currently so I was wondering what a workable solution was. I do wonder if Darren’s suggestion, however complicated it may be, would be the only workable one as indeed “everyone will be in the same boat”?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I would expect one academic year to be essentially “lost” and students would end up leaving school a year later than they otherwise would have. Likewise with universities. Coursework and earlier exams could be carried forward where appropriate to count towards the repeated year. I’m not sure exactly which of Darren’s suggestions you meant as this is a big thread. 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Ulric
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:01:32 AM

The UK government has been aware of that all along and should have acted accordingly. We are told (and I know it is true) the UK has some of the best experts in the world. Unfortunately I don't think Whitty and Vallance can be among them. If they were how on earth is it possible for the strategy which was adopted a few days ago to be unceremoniously dumped 72 hours later?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The metrics of a pandemic are a steep learning curve for people who lead lives so divorced from the general public. The UK government is totally out of it's depth.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Justin W
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:02:40 AM


If parents take care to protect their households with social distancing, self isolating etc, there’s less chance of sending their children to school with the virus.  The ones at risk will be those in crowded staff rooms, but again, if self isolation measures are followed, there’s less risk. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 



Unbelievable...


Like Maunder, you don’t get it. It’s about carriers. It’s about asymptomatic cases. It is about doing everything we can to stop this virus being spread through any communal activity. It is not about individual families believing themselves to be virus free and sending their kids to school.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Whether Idle
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:02:49 AM


 


Absolutely right. 


I will say that Quantum was right in January to fear this virus., although I still think his preparations at the time were over the top.  I can only offer my apologies to him.


On the subject of the UK's response it has been risible. We now know the NHS is not best in world, in fact it is far from it. Italy has twice as many ICU beds per capita and Germany five times the number. The UK government has been aware of that all along and should have acted accordingly. We are told (and I know it is true) the UK has some of the best experts in the world. Unfortunately I don't think Whitty and Vallance can be among them. If they were how on earth is it possible for the strategy which was adopted a few days ago to be unceremoniously dumped 72 hours later? The modelling data really can't have changed significantly in that time and they only had to look at other countries to see what is happening. A number of us were speculating last week that the "herd immunity" approach meant total UK deaths would be several times greater than Hitler managed in WW2.   


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, even at the weekend I was shouted down for questioning the government's approach by some of our more Conservative "members".


The government has screwed up and death on a large scale will be the result.

Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
speckledjim
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:04:25 AM
I completely understand that some on here are very stressed/worried by what might happen. However, I'm somewhat confused. If the Far East can avoid hundreds of thousands of deaths then why can't we in Europe? I get that we don't have enough ICU beds but I am also hopeful that we can increase them over the coming days/weeks. I am also hopeful that those in the vulnerable groups follow govt advice and self isolate. If they don't then I really don't have much sympathy for them. For the rest of us, it's important that we avoid contact with said vulnerable groups and then I believe we can beat this and hopefully we can all look back on it with a lot more positivity than negativity.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
The Beast from the East
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:06:41 AM

What is also clear is that the printing presses must be switched on TODAY and hundreds of billions of pounds helicoptered to every business and every person in this country.

This must happen immediately. Otherwise the economy will collapse and never recover.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Labour's manifesto was roundly rejected in December for being economic madness


 


 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
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NickR
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10:32 AM
Crucial thread from someone in a place that has managed this: re the ability to ease a lockdown and schools.


https://twitter.com/DanielFalush/status/1239771221694316545?s=19 
Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:11:32 AM


Labour's manifesto was roundly rejected in December for being economic madness


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


We were not in the middle of a recession inducing pandemic then. It is particularly good that Labour did not win, since McDonnell would have squandered all the resources before getting hit by the looming global recession.

New world order coming.
Roger Parsons
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:13:59 AM
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/covid19-novel-coronavirus 

Stay healthy - all of you.
Roger
p.s WHAT? Are you still smoking?


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
NickR
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:14:14 AM
This is why we need total lockdown NOW.

https://twitter.com/christoq/status/1239814816543342592?s=19 
Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:15:48 AM

Crucial thread from someone in a place that has managed this: re the ability to ease a lockdown and schools.


Originally Posted by: NickR 

">https://twitter.com/DanielFalush/status/1239771221694316545?s=19


Very interesting set of Tweets. Firstly, at some point controls have to be relaxed, otherwise life grinds completely to a halt, but in the absence of a vaccine the infection just flares up again - we already knew that. Secondly, the other piece of information that the Government was basing its modelling on the impact of viral pneumonia, but in the light of data from Italy, intensive care demands of COVID-19 are @ twice those of viral pneumonia.


 

New world order coming.
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:20:02 AM


 



Unbelievable...


Like Maunder, you don’t get it. It’s about carriers. It’s about asymptomatic cases. It is about doing everything we can to stop this virus being spread through any communal activity. It is not about individual families believing themselves to be virus free and sending their kids to school.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Yes Justin, I do get it and I do understand about asymptomatic carriers.  That was my reason for thinking earlier closure of borders was closing the stable door etc.  But surely, social distancing is to help protect us from the asymptomatic and those who are infected but are yet to show symptoms. 

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.
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