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doctormog
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:17:30 PM


 


So the bell curve and logarithmic scales can be put in the bin ?I know Darren ( Retron ) is expecting some big increases - not happening , so what is occurring ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I expect the numbers to increase significantly in the coming days but I would never have been more delighted if I’m wrong.


Quantum
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:23:50 PM


 


That's wrong obviously, there is already a lot of social distancing in the UK. I don't think we have peaked though, I expect all our numbers to deteriorate in the next few weeks.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


My model had an initial R0 of 1.86


It's now apparantely only 1.64


 


1.86 is actually pretty low when compared to the rest of Europe. So there's that too.


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Heavy Weather 2013
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:23:51 PM
Foreign secretary has ordered all Britons to return immediately to the UK.

Mark
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Bugglesgate
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:30:46 PM


 


True, it doesn't need to be 100% but it has to be high. And why would we be seeing a flattening so much earlier than everywhere else in Europe?


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Your forgetting all that hand washing


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John p
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:30:49 PM
I think those of you thinking we've already peaked are sadly going to be disappointed. If this was the case, we'd hardly be about to go on lock down - they would hold off a while longer surely?

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Quantum
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:31:54 PM

I think those of you thinking we've already peaked are sadly going to be disappointed. If this was the case, we'd hardly be about to go on lock down - they would hold off a while longer surely?

Originally Posted by: John p 


That's just it, I don't think we have peaked.


Just not sure why the data seems to suggest we are close to one.


 


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 2 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Gavin D
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:33:36 PM
France have reported 3,167 new cases and 186 new deaths.

2,279 more cases and 74 more deaths than yesterday

New daily highs for both
xioni2
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:40:23 PM


 That's just it, I don't think we have peaked.


Just not sure why the data seems to suggest we are close to one.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Too many unknown factors really.

Gavin D
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:41:46 PM
Germany are now accepting patients from Italy and France to ease pressure on hospitals
Darren S
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:41:54 PM


Incidentally I was similarly skeptical when the same thing happened in Hubei in late January, but that actually was real; and the peak happened in Early february. My model suggests we will peak in 3-4 days time unless something changes.


If I had to bet, I'd say my model was wrong and we are still in the exponential growth phase. Only because I can't see how we could have escaped it this early on given that no one is socially distancing.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


If we as a nation were blind as to what was going on in Europe, and no actions were being taken by the Government, then yes, we'd be in exponential growth. Compared to Italy who had no precedent for what was going on, other than China and Iran which don't really compare to European culture.


I think the nation as a whole woke up to the threat nearly 2 weeks ago, when the numbers started getting big. In the week before last, although I had to travel for work on 4 out of the 5 week days, one of which was to London, I was washing my hands so often that my knuckles were getting sore. I was also consciously keeping my distance from anyone nearby, opening door handles without touching them, etc. At the end of that week, my company told us all to cancel all site visits and work from home. That was 10 days ago.


Of course we've seen the pictures of the busy parks and beaches, the full tubes, etc. ... but that probably only involved a minority of the population. I would guess that the majority of us, particularly those aged 40 and above, have been a lot more careful and are becoming more careful since, which would significantly dampen down the exponential growth.


We haven't reached a peak yet; I'm sure that the daily number of cases will rise for the next 2 weeks or so, but not exponentially. The daily death count will rise for the next 3-4 weeks because there is a lag.


I'm not sure how you can have a model to predict what will happen if it doesn't include external factors (media reports, government actions) as input?


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Gavin D
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:43:10 PM
Boris is prerecording his statement. It will be broadcast by all the main channels at 20:30.
Heavy Weather 2013
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:43:30 PM
There is currently a video I have just seen on Facebook. It looks genuine.

If it is, this will send shockwaves throughout the country.

It shows people lying in the corridors of St Mary’s Hospital in Paddington
Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:44:26 PM
The Netherlands have banned all public gatherings until June 1st
Gooner
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:44:34 PM


 


That's just it, I don't think we have peaked.


Just not sure why the data seems to suggest we are close to one.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I'd be amazed if we had , maybe the spread of the virus hasn't even got into full gear , when you consider the initial message was 4 out of 5 will get it ………………………….frightening if that's the case 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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xioni2
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:47:14 PM


 I'd be amazed if we had , maybe the spread of the virus hasn't even got into full gear , when you consider the initial message was 4 out of 5 will get it ………………………….frightening if that's the case 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This was the initial herd immunity rubbish.

Roger Parsons
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:47:55 PM

Boris is prerecording his statement. It will be broadcast by all the main channels at 20:30.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


"Lockdown" imminent? Tomorrow? Closure of Parliament by end of week for early Easter break for MPs to be in their constituencies? Cobra meetings to continue - possibly digitally? Keep washing your hands? Just rambling....


Roger


 


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Gandalf The White
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:49:16 PM


 


If we as a nation were blind as to what was going on in Europe, and no actions were being taken by the Government, then yes, we'd be in exponential growth. Compared to Italy who had no precedent for what was going on, other than China and Iran which don't really compare to European culture.


I think the nation as a whole woke up to the threat nearly 2 weeks ago, when the numbers started getting big. In the week before last, although I had to travel for work on 4 out of the 5 week days, one of which was to London, I was washing my hands so often that my knuckles were getting sore. I was also consciously keeping my distance from anyone nearby, opening door handles without touching them, etc. At the end of that week, my company told us all to cancel all site visits and work from home. That was 10 days ago.


Of course we've seen the pictures of the busy parks and beaches, the full tubes, etc. ... but that probably only involved a minority of the population. I would guess that the majority of us, particularly those aged 40 and above, have been a lot more careful and are becoming more careful since, which would significantly dampen down the exponential growth.


We haven't reached a peak yet; I'm sure that the daily number of cases will rise for the next 2 weeks or so, but not exponentially. The daily death count will rise for the next 3-4 weeks because there is a lag.


I'm not sure how you can have a model to predict what will happen if it doesn't include external factors (media reports, government actions) as input?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Absolutely; I made similar points a couple of pages back.  I think there was been a marked change in behaviour and it ought to have had some effect.



But even if the early measures have helped there’s no reason why a further tightening won’t help more, particularly if it dents the numbers flouting and disregarding the restrictions.


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Gooner
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:49:47 PM


 


This was the initial herd immunity rubbish.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Sorry , yes you are correct  BUT maybe the virus hasn't got its act together yet ? 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gavin D
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:49:56 PM

A breakdown of French data for today



  1. 8,675 people are in hospital +1,435

  2. 7,432 cured and discharged from the hospital

  3. 2,082 in intensive care in serious condition

Caz
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Monday, March 23, 2020 6:51:14 PM


 


Yeh and it's not a one off. The data suggests we left the exponential growth phase about 4-5 days ago. This is not just noisy data, something is going on. But that doesn't mean we actually have left the exponential growth phase. I'm just at a total loss as to why this is happening.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I wonder if it’s due to the time it takes for test results to come back. Some health authorities might take longer than others. 


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xioni2
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:51:52 PM


 Sorry , yes you are correct  BUT maybe the virus hasn't got its act together yet ? 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The best answer is that we don't know. 

Heavy Weather 2013
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:52:27 PM
From Sky:

No 10 says Boris Johnson will announce new measures to tackle the coronavirus outbreak.

Sky's Jon Craig said: "We're likely to see some pretty restrict measures to enforce social distancing. We're likely to see curbs on people's movements. We're likely to see travel bans, we're likely to see some sort of curfew. Tough new powers."
Mark
Beckton, E London
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Brian Gaze
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:52:46 PM

Terrence O’Shaughnessy: secret plan to install general if law breaks down


The Trump administration has issued secret orders to facilitate a military takeover of the US in the event that civilian leadership is incapacitated during the coronavirus crisis, a report says.


The orders would kick in if disease or violence arising from the pandemic rendered Washington impotent and prevented devolution of power to civilian leaders in the regions as envisaged in decades of contingency planning.


The United States would then be placed under the authority of Terrence O’Shaughnessy, a four-star general and former fighter pilot who is the designated “combatant commander”, according to Newsweek.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/general-terrence-oshaughnessy-secret-plan-to-install-general-if-law-breaks-down-c2n3zc773


 


 


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Gooner
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:53:40 PM

From Sky:

No 10 says Boris Johnson will announce new measures to tackle the coronavirus outbreak.

Sky's Jon Craig said: "We're likely to see some pretty restrict measures to enforce social distancing. We're likely to see curbs on people's movements. We're likely to see travel bans, we're likely to see some sort of curfew. Tough new powers."

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


About bloody time 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gandalf The White
Monday, March 23, 2020 6:54:11 PM


 


I'd be amazed if we had , maybe the spread of the virus hasn't even got into full gear , when you consider the initial message was 4 out of 5 will get it ………………………….frightening if that's the case 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It wasn’t that 4 out of 5 will get it; it was that around 4 out of 5 need to get it to reach that herd immunity threshold. That can’t change if it’s the scientific assessment based on the R0 value; the issue is how we get there and how long it can be delayed. Hence the need for a vaccine; any other solution means a very long, very disruptive, very unpleasant and very expensive journey.


 


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