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Caz
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24 March 2020 08:28:07


 


The way to deal with it is to lay on transport for London NHS staff - there are plenty of Uber and Taxi drivers kicking their heels at the moment. Critical staff should not be expected to have to use public transport in places like London.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

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xioni2
24 March 2020 08:28:51

According to a poll for La Repubblica 94% of Italians support the strict lockdown and 72% think it should have been implemented earlier.

Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:29:12


 


Germany has also started taking hospitalised patients from Italy and France. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


For a limited time only - whilst they have some spare capacity. We know the hospitals in Alsace are overflowing and can take no more and the same applies in spades in northern Italy. France is currently building a massive field hospital in the region to increase their capacity.


 

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JHutch
24 March 2020 08:31:53

Just anecdotes but an interesting thread starting in the link below about construction workers and how they feel forced to turn up to work in conditions where disease could spread quickly.


 



Caz
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24 March 2020 08:31:57


 


The issue is that my manager was going to deliver the equipment personally, literally picking it up from the closed offices and bringing it to my house to set it up. Obviously neither of us wants that to happen now, indeed it is prohibited. I’m sure we can sort something out but it might take another couple of days. 


Not that I am likely to have very much work to do anyway. My new job is with a charity and all the events I would have been promoting have of course been cancelled!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I would still think delivery of work equipment is acceptable, especially as it’s to allow you to work at home. If you’re both uncomfortable with it, can’t he leave it outside your door?

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Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 08:34:32
Germany has FAR fewer patients in critical / intensive care than most other countries. Something clearly is different and it can't be attributed to COVID-19 not being recorded as cause of death.
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speckledjim
24 March 2020 08:34:37


 


IIRC their CFR data don’t record all deaths as Covid-19 if there was another underlying health condition.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Thats right, German death numbers cannot be compared with us. If we counted the same way as them our numbers would be a lot lower.

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xioni2
24 March 2020 08:35:22


I would suggest that construction businesses are told either they lay on coaches for their people or they close their sites.


Given the absolutely clear message last night, and the tone in which it was delivered, it beggars belief that business owners haven’t worked out what they need to do.


I keep wondering at what stage the critics will realise that it’s people making stupid, thoughtless decisions that’s the problem and not government failures.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I am afraid it's again down to the govt to decide whether construction should stop or forced to transfer their workers in different ways etc.

xioni2
24 March 2020 08:36:52


Thats right, German death numbers cannot be compared with us. If we counted the same way as them our numbers would be a lot lower.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Is there official confirmation about this? Last time I read german newspapers they were attributing their relatively low number of deaths to a combination of luck and good IC.

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24 March 2020 08:37:30


I suspect you’re right and it’s quite obvious why London is a virus hotspot.  My life is nothing like that, I’m pleased to say.  Whenever I had to go to London on business trips, I was always pleased to get home to a slower, less populated rural existence.


Those images show that stronger measures will be needed.


 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


If the govt is allowing all non-retail businesses to continue to function - which seems to be the plan - and they want to increase social distancing - why on earth did they reduce the service on the Tube? They should have increased the number of trains running and ordered staggered working hours. No clear thinking. Absolute madness.

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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:38:49


 


I am afraid it's again down to the govt to decide whether construction should stop or forced to transfer their workers in different ways etc.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It would be a mistake to close down construction in my view - but they need to sort out getting to and from sites and managing the sites in accordance with regulations.


As I have stated previously - now is the ideal time to get on with building and maintenance, particularly where our transport arteries are concerned - one of the biggest construction sites in London is Euston for HS2 for example. Only a few months ago they were worrying about the disruption caused to normal travel by the work - so in the current circumstances, it should be accelerated.

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Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 08:40:30
The contructuon issue will be the big story of the day.

They are having to go into work because either their employer is insisting it’s business as usual or they cannot afford to stay off.

It’s a total clusterfuck
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Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 08:41:13
The contructuon issue will be the big story of the day.

They are having to go into work because either their employer is insisting it’s business as usual or they cannot afford to stay off.

It’s a total clusterfuck
Mark
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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:45:58

The contructuon issue will be the big story of the day.

They are having to go into work because either their employer is insisting it’s business as usual or they cannot afford to stay off.

It’s a total clusterfuck

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Well let's close down every damn sector of the economy then and cause a depression to make the 1930s look like a walk in the park.


I would rather we see how the current restrictions work in practice and tweak them in the light of experience.

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Ulric
24 March 2020 08:46:04
There are financial penalties in construction contracts for late completion. Many firms are worried about being penalised for not finishing work on time. Until these clauses are waived or otherwise dealt with, sites will continue to work.

Also, many self-employed construction workers live a hand to mouth existence and rely on site work to survive. It's a tough problem.
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Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 08:46:12


 


Thats right, German death numbers cannot be compared with us. If we counted the same way as them our numbers would be a lot lower.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


That is being stated widely but it needs confirmation otherwise it is just speculation. More importantly is why there are so FEW people in intensive care in Germany. In fact the low numbers in IC offer support for the much lower mortality rate. 

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Heavy Weather 2013
24 March 2020 08:50:35


 


Well let's close down every damn sector of the economy then and cause a depression to make the 1930s look like a walk in the park.


I would rather we see how the current restrictions work in practice and tweak them in the light of experience.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


MM they are not working. Tube packed as normal. That’s a fact. 


The government should have seen this coming and prepared for it. I was calling this out yesterday. There are people in governement paid a lot more that me to have the foresight.

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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:53:06


 


MM they are not working. Tube packed as normal. That’s a fact. 


The government should have seen this coming and prepared for it. I was calling this out yesterday. There are people in governement paid a lot more that me to have the foresight.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes indeed - but that is a logistical problem which can be sorted out without shutting down every construction site. Special transport arrangements for London NHS workers, staggering travel times for workers, enforcing social distancing in the Tube etc.


 

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Brian Gaze
24 March 2020 08:53:22


 


MM they are not working. Tube packed as normal. That’s a fact. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Even the Torygrpah is leading with it. Shocking pictures.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/


 

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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:54:56


 


That is being stated widely but it needs confirmation otherwise it is just speculation. More importantly is why there are so FEW people in intensive care in Germany. In fact the low numbers in IC offer support for the much lower mortality rate. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Are there figures for the numbers in ICU in Germany? A German Minister the other day was saying that they have many younger people with the virus who don't need hospitalisation - people who went skiing for example. But the experience of other countries is that these initial carriers then infect more vulnerable groups, including parents and grandparents.


 

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Northern Sky
24 March 2020 08:55:58


 


MM they are not working. Tube packed as normal. That’s a fact. 


The government should have seen this coming and prepared for it. I was calling this out yesterday. There are people in governement paid a lot more that me to have the foresight.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The tubes are packed because there is a massively reduced service. 


I don't think there are any easy answers to this, it's not possible to simply close down society and the economy indefinitely. The fall out will negatively impact more people than the virus itself. 

westv
24 March 2020 08:55:59
How are other countries that have restricted movement dealt with construction work?
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RobN
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24 March 2020 08:56:01


 


That is being stated widely but it needs confirmation otherwise it is just speculation. More importantly is why there are so FEW people in intensive care in Germany. In fact the low numbers in IC offer support for the much lower mortality rate. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


According to the Spectator:


"On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes."

Rob
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nsrobins
24 March 2020 08:56:45


 


The way to deal with it is to lay on transport for London NHS staff - there are plenty of Uber and Taxi drivers kicking their heels at the moment. Critical staff should not be expected to have to use public transport in places like London.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This would work. On Remembrance Sunday about 100 black cab drivers give up their day moving for free ex-servicemen from hotels and stations to Horseguards for the start of the March and back again. Around 10,000 people are moved around in a well-ordered way. 
I’m not saying it should be free but surely the cabs have capacity at the moment.

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Maunder Minimum
24 March 2020 08:59:46


 


This would work. On Remembrance Sunday about 100 black cab drivers give up their day moving for free ex-servicemen from hotels and stations to Horseguards for the start of the March and back again. Around 10,000 people are moved around in a well-ordered way. 
I’m not saying it should be free but surely the cabs have capacity at the moment.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


The Government is paying for everything else, so surely they could pay an agreed fee for Uber and Black Cabs to ferry critical workers around the Capital?


P.S. It is not as though they would get stuck in the traffic.

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