We just don't know this and that's the problem.

I get their point, Gandalf. There is a big difference between KILLED BY CO-19 and FINISHED OFF by CO-19 whilst suffering poor health and therefore especially vulnerable. I would say both cohorts should be clearly identified, the direct victims AND the collateral deaths. This is why any testing needs to be of a representative sample, so we can see where the virus is being found. If the data is not adequate we could be missing a trick or barking up the wrong tree. That's why so many folks here are exasperated by the statistics.

Keep safe.

Roger

That's his MO.

If 50% of the population have had it, then we are on the way to achieving herd immunity.

The globalists/buildenbergers are still spraying us! Mind control never stops!

we still need to trade

HIV drug to be trialled on coronavirus patients to see if they can fight Covid-19

"Coronavirus patients will be treated with an HIV drug or steroid as part of trial to see if existing medications can beat the deadly infection. Researchers from the University of Oxford enrolled the first patient last week, and want hospitals to sign up thousands more people in the coming weeks.  The trial – which has been expedited by the chief medical officer, Professor Chris Whitty, would usually have taken around 18 months to organise, but red tape has been removed and researchers have worked round the clock to get the experiment up and running within just nine days.

The treatments which will be used are the HIV combination drug Lopinavir-Ritonavir and the steroid dexamethasone, used for people with severe asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease to reduce inflammation.  Both drugs are known to be safe and, in the coming weeks, the anti-malarial drug antimalarial hydroxychloroquine is likely to be added to the trial treatments and patients randomly assigned one of the three.  Anyone who tests positive for coronavirus in NHS hospitals will be offered the chance to join the "Recovery" trial.

They are hoping the HIV drug will stop the virus from replication, while the steroid may prevent inflammation in the lungs, which causes respiratory collapse. Martin Landray, professor of medicine and epidemiology at the Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford, and deputy chief investigator, added: "Both drugs have a good biological background and clinical base behind them and their safety is well known. They are also available and scaleable. The chief medical officer has made this a national priority study, and we've managed to do in nine days what would normally take nine to 18 months. The ability to get a trial up and running at the beginning of an epidemic gives us the best hope as it means the trial is part of the treatment. It is an incredible opportunity to make progress rapidly in very difficult circumstances."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/23/hiv-drug-trialled-coronavirus-patients-see-can-fight-covid-19/

Useful innovative work being done in Wales - I particularly like the snood which looks easier to wear and easier on the eye than a traditional face mask:

Mass production has begun of a snood-type mask, which designers say can kill this coronavirus - potentially helping protect frontline workers and the vulnerable.

The company behind it hopes to make as many as a million-a-week and plans to reserve part of that stock for the NHS.

"We have been working on the anti-viral coating since 2011 but it's only in the last five weeks that we have developed the snood in response to the current pandemic," said Anna Roberts, of Virustatic Shield.

Taken at face value the Wales data suggests the UK could be past peak corona just as the lock-down is being implemented. It's very difficult to know what is going on. Ironic if the rate accelerates in the next couple of weeks. What then?

There will be a lag of at least 2 weeks before we could expect to see the death rate drop 

And I don't believe they have 

And that's a real problem , we will have false numbers and just when we think we are on top another wave will hit the hospitals 

Possibly. I'm not convinced. 

As some have been saying, the majority of the population (outside London) have been following official guidance for the past week or two - so we are hopefully seeing the effects of that in the stats already.

London is a different place - will probably take a further two weeks before improvements are seen there.

The anti-viral snood was actually developed in Manchester, not Wales - it has been in development since 2011, so its appearance on the market could not have been more opportune. Don't know how it works, but it is claimed to provide a shield against the corona virus, amongst others:

http://www.retailtimes.co.uk/breakthrough-in-germ-trap-technology-offers-new-hope-in-stopping-spread-of-viruses/

The rate of acceleration over the next two weeks will tell us nothing about these lockdown measures.  It will be the following two weeks that will, due to incubation and symptom lag. 

All the medical stats suggest that those who die have the virus for at least 2 weeks before passing away so there is bound to be a lag

Which is why we could be seeing the effects of behavioural changes from two weeks ago.

Most sensible people could see what was happening in Italy and many started to self isolate without needing to be told.

Look at people on here - all of us, with the exception of Beast I think, have been sensible for weeks.

Yes agreed Caz. I want to be optimistic, but we have to be realistic. In the three days up to yesterday we had 40% of positive new cases. That suggests there is a lot to wash through at the moment. 

How that will play out in the next few days is anyone’s guess. But we have to assume that with a three week lockdown officials behind the scenes must be worried with what they are seeing.