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Brian Gaze
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:13:16 PM

Lucky to be stranded at home when the weather is like this. Not so good for people without a garden though. 



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RobN
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:16:22 PM


 


Presumably they need to check they blow rather than suck.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Surely it's just a matter of putting the hose on the other end. Job done


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Maunder Minimum
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:16:29 PM


Lucky to be stranded at home when the weather is like this. Not so good for people without a garden though. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I recognise that shed - thought you had been and nicked ours until I looked in the garden and saw it was still there


You have a point though - I have friends and colleagues in Copenhagen who are going spare at being trapped inside their apartments.


New world order coming.
xioni2
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:16:51 PM

Salvini's deputy was in tears, "every single day, 7-8 people I know die".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FmKm4LaQk4

Bugglesgate
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:17:06 PM


 


I heard that regulatory approval is more or less a given. FWIW I don't like Dyson or his ludicrously overpriced and overweight vacuum cleaners. His hand dryers are also crap, although he deserves credit for managing to flog a load of them to French service stations. Despite that he should be given the benefit of the doubt at this stage. If he can deliver 10,000 reliable and operationally competent ventilators in April it will be a huge achievement. If he doesn't or it turns out they breakdown frequently or over-inflate patients his business will be finished IMO.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


If they are like his vacuum cleaners they will explode into a myriad of little broken plastic bits - a regular job at a place I used to work was putting the cleaner together after it had got jammed on something and exploded - On the positive side, the parts were always available.


I have an open mind about this, if he can do it, good for him - if not, as you say it's going to stick with him  like glue forever - He'll be the new Ratner.


 


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Darren S
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:20:22 PM


Local politicians in Italy believe that the number of deaths from covid in Italy could be underestimated. The mayor of Nembro said that his town (population 12,000) has 35 deaths per year, but they have now had 158 deaths since the start of the year and only 31 of them have been confirmed as covid victims. The mayor of  Brescia said that they have started finding an increasing number of dead people in their homes and not all of them are being tested for covid.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


That town must have a very young population, then? If the average life expectancy was 80, then you'd expect the entire 12,000 population to be replaced in 80 years on average, which would equate to 150 people dying every year.


I found this link which shows well the stark difference between infections in the towns S and E of Milan (Milan itself is not so badly affected), compared to a province in the south (Isernia) that has only had 4 cases.


https://www.piersoft.it/covid19/


Darren
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Maunder Minimum
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:22:38 PM


 


 


If they are like his vacuum cleaners they will explode into a myriad of little broken plastic bits - a regular job at a place I used to work was putting the cleaner together after it had got jammed on something and exploded - On the positive side, the parts were always available.


I have an open mind about this, if he can do it, good for him - if not, as you say it's going to stick with him  like glue forever - He'll be the new Ratner.


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


The Times has just published a big story on the Dyson ventilator - here is a picture:


The new ventilator draws heavily on existing Dyson technology


New world order coming.
roadrunnerajn
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:24:17 PM


Lucky to be stranded at home when the weather is like this. Not so good for people without a garden though. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Likewise, luckily I have the Cornish countryside all around us and the Atlantic is a 20min walk away. 


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Maunder Minimum
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:24:46 PM

Here is the article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/dyson-to-make-10-000-ventilators-for-nhs-3v6rd68vd


 


"Sir James Dyson will begin production within weeks of a new medical ventilator for coronavirus patients after signing a contract to produce 10,000 for the NHS.


Dyson is redirecting staff and resources to set up two production lines at a former wartime RAF base at Hullavington, Wiltshire, where the company had previously planned to manufacture an electric car.


The new CoVent machines, which can be used both in hospitals and by ambulance paramedics, will draw heavily on existing Dyson technology, including its digital motors and air purifier products.


...


Dyson in partnership with the technology group TTP and a large consortium under the banner VentilatorsChallenge UK are the lead manufacturing options.


Sir James announced his contract in a message to staff around the world yesterday evening. His research and design teams in different locations have been working round the clock with designers in one part of the world handing over to teams in other locations overnight.


Sir James told his workforce: “Since I received a call from Boris Johnson ten days ago we have refocused resources at Dyson and worked with TTP, The Technology Partnership, to design and build an entirely new ventilator.


 


“This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume. It is designed to address the specific clinical needs of Covid-19 patients and it is suited to a variety of clinical settings. The core challenge was how to design and deliver a new, sophisticated medical product in volume and in an extremely short space of time. The race is now on to get it into production.”


He said that the Dyson digital motor was “at the heart of the new device”. The new ventilator would “achieve a high-quality air supply to ensure its safety and effectiveness, drawing on our air purifier expertise which delivers high-quality filtration” in mass-produced products.


 


Dyson and the other makers have to work closely with the medical and healthcare regulator to ensure that the new machine is completely safe and suitable for clinical use. NHS experts and regulators have been involved in the project throughout.


Under the terms of the contract the government will cover much of the cost of getting the operation started as quickly as possible but the company stresses that it is not seeking to make a profit.


..."


New world order coming.
xioni2
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:25:04 PM


 That town must have a very young population, then? If the average life expectancy was 80, then you'd expect the entire 12,000 population to be replaced in 80 years on average, which would equate to 150 people dying every year.


I found this link which shows well the stark difference between infections in the towns S and E of Milan (Milan itself is not so badly affected), compared to a province in the south (Isernia) that has only had 4 cases.


https://www.piersoft.it/covid19/


Originally Posted by: Darren S 



In other news, the lockdown isn't easy for everyone 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52039832

xioni2
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:29:26 PM


"Sir James Dyson will begin production within weeks of a new medical ventilator for coronavirus patients after signing a contract to produce 10,000 for the NHS.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


That's great, but the immediate question from the frontline staff would be: when will these ventilators be operationally ready? Production 'within weeks' could mean that they won't be available before May, while our peak will probably occur sometime in April.


 

llamedos
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:33:00 PM

Any thoughts / suggestions as to what provisions Rishi might make for the self employed later today?


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Maunder Minimum
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:36:14 PM


 


That's great, but the immediate question from the frontline staff would be: when will these ventilators be operationally ready? Production 'within weeks' could mean that they won't be available before May, while our peak will probably occur sometime in April.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Hopefully, low tech solutions like this one can plug the gap in the meantime:


https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-52015736/coronavirus-gtech-designs-prototype-ventilator


COVID is not going away at the end of April and the authorities are already planning for the second wave.


 


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:39:07 PM


 


That's great, but the immediate question from the frontline staff would be: when will these ventilators be operationally ready? Production 'within weeks' could mean that they won't be available before May, while our peak will probably occur sometime in April.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Setting aside the unrealistic goal of herd immunity without a vaccine, it's odd on that there will be another outbreak in the autumn and winter, so even if the first peak is missed - which is only a prediction, in any event - they may still be needed; along with all the other gear.


Realistically I expect the government and NHS to be gearing up for this to last until at least the second half of 2021 and even that assumes an effective vaccine has become widely available during that summer.


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Gandalf The White
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:42:46 PM


Any thoughts / suggestions as to what provisions Rishi might make for the self employed later today?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


There were suggestions that it could be a payment based on declared income via people's tax returns, using some formula or other (e.g. last year, average of last three years)


Of course that assumes that self-employed people have declared their income accurately.... i.e. No 'cash in hand' 🤔


Location: South Cambridgeshire
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Retron
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:45:30 PM


Any thoughts / suggestions as to what provisions Rishi might make for the self employed later today?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Whatever it is, I'd bet it'll leave people cursing that they've avoided tax by "cash in hand"!


Leysdown, north Kent
llamedos
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:49:52 PM


 


Whatever it is, I'd bet it'll leave people cursing that they've avoided tax by "cash in hand"!


Originally Posted by: Retron 

And quite rightly Darren!


 


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llamedos
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:52:16 PM


 


There were suggestions that it could be a payment based on declared income via people's tax returns, using some formula or other (e.g. last year, average of last three years)


Of course that assumes that self-employed people have declared their income accurately.... i.e. No 'cash in hand' 🤔


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Should be quite straightforward then  


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warrenb
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:54:12 PM


 


Whatever it is, I'd bet it'll leave people cursing that they've avoided tax by "cash in hand"!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Not just cash in hand, a large number have set up their own company pay themselves minimum wage, the a nice fat dividend at the end of the year and only pay CGT on the dividend. No national insurance either.


llamedos
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:54:20 PM

Seriously, in fairness how can any assistance be provided other than on a blanket basis? 


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RobN
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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:54:58 PM


 


That town must have a very young population, then? If the average life expectancy was 80, then you'd expect the entire 12,000 population to be replaced in 80 years on average, which would equate to 150 people dying every year.


I found this link which shows well the stark difference between infections in the towns S and E of Milan (Milan itself is not so badly affected), compared to a province in the south (Isernia) that has only had 4 cases.


https://www.piersoft.it/covid19/


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Clicking on "Time Map" on the right hand-side of that page gives you a slider to run through the data for the last month. Terrifying


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Retron
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:55:16 PM


Seriously, in fairness how can any assistance be provided other than on a blanket basis?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


TBH a slightly enhanced version of the dole is what I'd expect they'll come up with. It'd help if there were rent holidays in the meantime.


Leysdown, north Kent
westv
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:55:35 PM

Maybe it'll be a tax refund?


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:56:08 PM
PHE won't be releasing new deaths data today for England.

They're apparently changing it to morning updates which is why Tuesday was so high and yesterday was so low.

Tuesday's covered 9am Monday to 1pm Tuesday
Wednesday's only covered 1pm Tuesday to 9am Wednesday
Retron
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:57:04 PM


Not just cash in hand, a large number have set up their own company pay themselves minimum wage, the a nice fat dividend at the end of the year and only pay CGT on the dividend. No national insurance either.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


That's a sore point, it's thanks to people doing that that I now have to pay more tax on the dividends I get from my American shares. Caught up by people trying to dodge the system.


It'd be quite ironic if the pay they receive is based on their official wages and/or tax returns.


Leysdown, north Kent

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